Shawn Ryan: There's A Battle For Your Soul, It's Happening Right Now

You said you think you visited hell. You said you think you visited hell. >> I know I did. And it was more real than >> I know I did. And it was more real than >> I know I did. And it was more real than anything I've experienced. It was the anything I've experienced. It was the anything I've experienced. It was the most amount of fear I'd ever felt in my most amount of fear I'd ever felt in my most amount of fear I'd ever felt in my life. My body was contorted. It was life. My body was contorted. It was life. My body was contorted. It was doing things that the human body doing things that the human body doing things that the human body shouldn't do. [music] shouldn't do. [music] shouldn't do. [music] >> Do you think you were possessed? Because >> Do you think you were possessed? Because >> Do you think you were possessed? Because subsequently, you've had several subsequently, you've had several subsequently, you've had several exorcisms. exorcisms. exorcisms. >> Yes. The things that are happening are >> Yes. The things that are happening are >> Yes. The things that are happening are just undeniable. just undeniable. just undeniable. >> What happened? >> What happened? >> What happened? >> I'll tell you what I experienced. >> I'll tell you what I experienced. >> I'll tell you what I experienced. >> Just before we get into all of that, you >> Just before we get into all of that, you >> Just before we get into all of that, you have lived a remarkable life. I was in a have lived a remarkable life. I was in a have lived a remarkable life. I was in a US Navy, went to Iraq, Haiti, US Navy, went to Iraq, Haiti, US Navy, went to Iraq, Haiti, Afghanistan, and done some insane Afghanistan, and done some insane Afghanistan, and done some insane missions. I mean, you learn a lot of missions. I mean, you learn a lot of missions. I mean, you learn a lot of critical life lessons, but there's critical life lessons, but there's critical life lessons, but there's another side, too. I [music] mean, you another side, too. I [music] mean, you another side, too. I [music] mean, you get addicted to those type of get addicted to those type of get addicted to those type of environments. Adrenaline. environments. Adrenaline. environments. Adrenaline. >> And after your CIA contracting role, you >> And after your CIA contracting role, you >> And after your CIA contracting role, you moved to Medlin, Columbia. moved to Medlin, Columbia. moved to Medlin, Columbia. >> Yeah. It was probably the most dangerous >> Yeah. It was probably the most dangerous >> Yeah. It was probably the most dangerous thing I'd ever done. thing I'd ever done. thing I'd ever done. >> Did you get involved in the drug dealing >> Did you get involved in the drug dealing >> Did you get involved in the drug dealing networks? networks? networks? >> Yes. I never really dealt. It was more >> Yes. I never really dealt. It was more >> Yes. I never really dealt. It was more setting up the network, figuring out who setting up the network, figuring out who setting up the network, figuring out who the players are that gave me the rush. the players are that gave me the rush. the players are that gave me the rush. There's not very many people that can There's not very many people that can There's not very many people that can pull some like that off. But then this pull some like that off. But then this pull some like that off. But then this guy Freddy, he said, "The police [music] guy Freddy, he said, "The police [music] guy Freddy, he said, "The police [music] were after me." They had planted a bug were after me." They had planted a bug were after me." They had planted a bug in the light fixture outside of my door.

in the light fixture outside of my door. in the light fixture outside of my door. And then they And then they And then they >> You now have built one of the biggest >> You now have built one of the biggest >> You now have built one of the biggest podcasts on planet Earth. podcasts on planet Earth. podcasts on planet Earth. >> Yes, but my show will not appear in >> Yes, but my show will not appear in >> Yes, but my show will not appear in popular podcasts because it's something popular podcasts because it's something popular podcasts because it's something that I was saying a long time ago. It that I was saying a long time ago. It that I was saying a long time ago. It had to do with had to do with had to do with >> That is very [ __ ] weird. Do you think >> That is very [ __ ] weird. Do you think >> That is very [ __ ] weird. Do you think podcasters are being compromised by podcasters are being compromised by podcasters are being compromised by guests being planted on their shows or guests being planted on their shows or guests being planted on their shows or in other ways? in other ways? in other ways? >> Yes. Here's one example. Trump >> Yes. Here's one example. Trump >> Yes. Here's one example. Trump administration crushed it in the administration crushed it in the administration crushed it in the election cycle, right? Really utilized election cycle, right? Really utilized election cycle, right? Really utilized the podcast. They saw the power of it. the podcast. They saw the power of it. the podcast. They saw the power of it. It was a great tactic and so I think It was a great tactic and so I think It was a great tactic and so I think that [music] they have people inside of that [music] they have people inside of that [music] they have people inside of all the platforms that we use and this all the platforms that we use and this all the platforms that we use and this has happened to me because one time I has happened to me because one time I has happened to me because one time I had a guy come on and we can talk about had a guy come on and we can talk about had a guy come on and we can talk about that. that. that. >> And you endorsed Trump before the >> And you endorsed Trump before the >> And you endorsed Trump before the election. election. election. >> I wanted him to win. Have you changed >> I wanted him to win. Have you changed >> I wanted him to win. Have you changed your opinion on Trump now? your opinion on Trump now? your opinion on Trump now? >> Oh yeah, for a multitude of reasons. 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[music] >> [singing] >> [singing] >> [singing] >> Sean Ryan, you have lived a remarkable >> Sean Ryan, you have lived a remarkable >> Sean Ryan, you have lived a remarkable life for so many different reasons. Um, life for so many different reasons. Um, life for so many different reasons. Um, I feel like you've lived several I feel like you've lived several I feel like you've lived several different lives as well, dare I say. But different lives as well, dare I say. But different lives as well, dare I say. But for anybody that might not be familiar for anybody that might not be familiar for anybody that might not be familiar with your smash hit show and your with your smash hit show and your with your smash hit show and your incredible journey through the military, incredible journey through the military, incredible journey through the military, can you give me a a topline on the

can you give me a a topline on the can you give me a a topline on the career that you've had before you got career that you've had before you got career that you've had before you got into podcasting for those that might not into podcasting for those that might not into podcasting for those that might not know? Yeah, joined the US Navy. It I know? Yeah, joined the US Navy. It I know? Yeah, joined the US Navy. It I think I enlisted at age 17, went think I enlisted at age 17, went think I enlisted at age 17, went straight to into the Navy Seal program, straight to into the Navy Seal program, straight to into the Navy Seal program, went to BUDS, went to SEAL teammate, went to BUDS, went to SEAL teammate, went to BUDS, went to SEAL teammate, spent 5 and a half years in the Navy, spent 5 and a half years in the Navy, spent 5 and a half years in the Navy, and then left that, became a real estate and then left that, became a real estate and then left that, became a real estate agent. I had read a book by Donald Trump agent. I had read a book by Donald Trump agent. I had read a book by Donald Trump way back then on this is it, how to get way back then on this is it, how to get way back then on this is it, how to get rich. It inspired me to become an rich. It inspired me to become an rich. It inspired me to become an entrepreneur and failed miserably. entrepreneur and failed miserably. entrepreneur and failed miserably. [laughter] So then I looked at [laughter] So then I looked at [laughter] So then I looked at government contracting, started government contracting, started government contracting, started contracting for central intelligence contracting for central intelligence contracting for central intelligence agencies, started a small state agencies, started a small state agencies, started a small state department gig, got picked up for the department gig, got picked up for the department gig, got picked up for the CIA contract, did that through CIA contract, did that through CIA contract, did that through Blackwater, then jumped over to a Blackwater, then jumped over to a Blackwater, then jumped over to a company called Socked and then uh wound company called Socked and then uh wound company called Socked and then uh wound up getting picked up direct contractor up getting picked up direct contractor up getting picked up direct contractor for the agency of No Middleman. for the agency of No Middleman. for the agency of No Middleman. >> And you said that you wanted to be a >> And you said that you wanted to be a >> And you said that you wanted to be a Navy Seal. Now, for for international Navy Seal. Now, for for international Navy Seal. Now, for for international audiences that might not know what a audiences that might not know what a audiences that might not know what a Navy Seal is relative to just like being Navy Seal is relative to just like being Navy Seal is relative to just like being in the army, what is the distinction?

in the army, what is the distinction? in the army, what is the distinction? >> A Navy seal stands for sea, air, and >> A Navy seal stands for sea, air, and >> A Navy seal stands for sea, air, and land. So, you operate in the sea, air, land. So, you operate in the sea, air, land. So, you operate in the sea, air, and the land. It's uh special and the land. It's uh special and the land. It's uh special operations. So, it is uh one of the most operations. So, it is uh one of the most operations. So, it is uh one of the most prolific special operations units in the prolific special operations units in the prolific special operations units in the world. You go through a training world. You go through a training world. You go through a training pipeline that's a couple years long. you pipeline that's a couple years long. you pipeline that's a couple years long. you go through buds, which if you make it um go through buds, which if you make it um go through buds, which if you make it um without getting hurt or without getting without getting hurt or without getting without getting hurt or without getting rolled back, that's 6 months. I didn't rolled back, that's 6 months. I didn't rolled back, that's 6 months. I didn't make it without rolling back. So, I make it without rolling back. So, I make it without rolling back. So, I think I spent about 9 months there. Then think I spent about 9 months there. Then think I spent about 9 months there. Then you go to jump school. Then you go to you go to jump school. Then you go to you go to jump school. Then you go to SQT SEAL qualification training, which SQT SEAL qualification training, which SQT SEAL qualification training, which is kind of where they turn you into is kind of where they turn you into is kind of where they turn you into I guess I shouldn't say they turn you I guess I shouldn't say they turn you I guess I shouldn't say they turn you into a special operator, but but that's into a special operator, but but that's into a special operator, but but that's the the final school. Then you get your the the final school. Then you get your the the final school. Then you get your SEAL trident and then you spend another SEAL trident and then you spend another SEAL trident and then you spend another year or two, year and a half training at year or two, year and a half training at year or two, year and a half training at your SEAL team before you ever even get your SEAL team before you ever even get your SEAL team before you ever even get the opportunity to to to deploy uh for the opportunity to to to deploy uh for the opportunity to to to deploy uh for the country. Diving, jumping, land the country. Diving, jumping, land the country. Diving, jumping, land warfare, demolition, small unit tactics, warfare, demolition, small unit tactics, warfare, demolition, small unit tactics, lots of time in a kill house, lots of lots of time in a kill house, lots of lots of time in a kill house, lots of time in land warfare, all different uh time in land warfare, all different uh time in land warfare, all different uh operational environments, desert, operational environments, desert, operational environments, desert, winter, jungle, you name it, we're in winter, jungle, you name it, we're in winter, jungle, you name it, we're in it. Is it equivocal to the SAS which is it. Is it equivocal to the SAS which is it. Is it equivocal to the SAS which is like the British version of the special like the British version of the special like the British version of the special operations team?

operations team? operations team? >> I would say yeah SAS or SPS. >> I would say yeah SAS or SPS. >> I would say yeah SAS or SPS. >> Okay. And you must have seen some pretty >> Okay. And you must have seen some pretty >> Okay. And you must have seen some pretty horrific interesting horrific interesting horrific interesting unforgettable things while you were on unforgettable things while you were on unforgettable things while you were on those tours of duties around the world. those tours of duties around the world. those tours of duties around the world. >> Yeah. Yeah. Oper. The first thing I ever saw uh that was The first thing I ever saw uh that was that that that that that that that that that was warfareish. It wasn't really hot. I was warfareish. It wasn't really hot. I was warfareish. It wasn't really hot. I thought it was hot at the time, but uh thought it was hot at the time, but uh thought it was hot at the time, but uh 2004 we went to Haiti when Aristid got 2004 we went to Haiti when Aristid got 2004 we went to Haiti when Aristid got pulled out of power. It was the first pulled out of power. It was the first pulled out of power. It was the first time I'd really seen true poverty. And time I'd really seen true poverty. And time I'd really seen true poverty. And uh I don't know if you've ever been uh I don't know if you've ever been uh I don't know if you've ever been there, but I mean, you know, the sewage there, but I mean, you know, the sewage there, but I mean, you know, the sewage goes right into the streets. All the goes right into the streets. All the goes right into the streets. All the prisoners had broken out. We there were prisoners had broken out. We there were prisoners had broken out. We there were dead bodies floating around the water, dead bodies floating around the water, dead bodies floating around the water, bullet holes everywhere. bullet holes everywhere. bullet holes everywhere. Every once in a while, I'd see a car on Every once in a while, I'd see a car on Every once in a while, I'd see a car on fire. I mean, it was just vast chaos. It fire. I mean, it was just vast chaos. It fire. I mean, it was just vast chaos. It really wasn't anything compared to what really wasn't anything compared to what really wasn't anything compared to what I would see later on. But uh [sighs] but I would see later on. But uh [sighs] but I would see later on. But uh [sighs] but that was the first place. And then that was the first place. And then that was the first place. And then Afghanistan uh we went there after Afghanistan uh we went there after Afghanistan uh we went there after Operation Red Wings uh happened. That Operation Red Wings uh happened. That Operation Red Wings uh happened. That was uh the biggest loss in SEAL team was uh the biggest loss in SEAL team was uh the biggest loss in SEAL team history at the time.

history at the time. history at the time. >> What was Operation Red Wings? >> What was Operation Red Wings? >> What was Operation Red Wings? >> Have you ever seen the movie Lone >> Have you ever seen the movie Lone >> Have you ever seen the movie Lone Survivor? Survivor? Survivor? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Okay. There was a a sniper element on a >> Okay. There was a a sniper element on a >> Okay. There was a a sniper element on a mountaintop that was that was mountaintop that was that was mountaintop that was that was surveilling a town that had a highv surveilling a town that had a highv surveilling a town that had a highv value terrorist in in there. And um the value terrorist in in there. And um the value terrorist in in there. And um the sniper hide was compromised by a goat sniper hide was compromised by a goat sniper hide was compromised by a goat herder. Goat herder went back to town herder. Goat herder went back to town herder. Goat herder went back to town and told everybody what he had seen and and told everybody what he had seen and and told everybody what he had seen and then and then they ambushed the element then and then they ambushed the element then and then they ambushed the element up there. Helicopters went down and then up there. Helicopters went down and then up there. Helicopters went down and then there was one guy that survived it. And there was one guy that survived it. And there was one guy that survived it. And so it was it was the biggest loss ever so it was it was the biggest loss ever so it was it was the biggest loss ever in Seal Team history at the time. That in Seal Team history at the time. That in Seal Team history at the time. That happened in on June 28th and I think we happened in on June 28th and I think we happened in on June 28th and I think we were there by late late September, early were there by late late September, early were there by late late September, early October, I believe, is when we were October, I believe, is when we were October, I believe, is when we were there. We did some uh hit some targets, there. We did some uh hit some targets, there. We did some uh hit some targets, but they were pretty much all dry holes. but they were pretty much all dry holes. but they were pretty much all dry holes. Grabbed a couple of prisoners. Um stuff Grabbed a couple of prisoners. Um stuff Grabbed a couple of prisoners. Um stuff like that. And then we actually went like that. And then we actually went like that. And then we actually went home early. And then I went to Iraq. home early. And then I went to Iraq. home early. And then I went to Iraq. Well, I went to Iraq. My platoon went Well, I went to Iraq. My platoon went Well, I went to Iraq. My platoon went home. I decided I wanted to get out at home. I decided I wanted to get out at home. I decided I wanted to get out at that point. Uh it just for me it wasn't that point. Uh it just for me it wasn't that point. Uh it just for me it wasn't really what it was uh what I thought it really what it was uh what I thought it really what it was uh what I thought it was going to be.

was going to be. was going to be. >> What was it? >> What was it? >> What was it? >> I thought it would be a lot more combat. >> I thought it would be a lot more combat. >> I thought it would be a lot more combat. I wanted to go out every night and do I wanted to go out every night and do I wanted to go out every night and do the job, do direct actions, the job, do direct actions, the job, do direct actions, do CQB, do sniper stuff, whatever. I do CQB, do sniper stuff, whatever. I do CQB, do sniper stuff, whatever. I just wanted to work. And uh we weren't just wanted to work. And uh we weren't just wanted to work. And uh we weren't getting that in Afghanistan. It was few getting that in Afghanistan. It was few getting that in Afghanistan. It was few and far between. This was 05 time frame and far between. This was 05 time frame and far between. This was 05 time frame and 0506 and 0506 and 0506 time frame. I can't remember what time frame. I can't remember what time frame. I can't remember what happened. Uh but the elections were happened. Uh but the elections were happened. Uh but the elections were dragging on and so I had a OIC which is dragging on and so I had a OIC which is dragging on and so I had a OIC which is kind of like the leader of a of a SEAL kind of like the leader of a of a SEAL kind of like the leader of a of a SEAL platoon. He had found a way to farm us platoon. He had found a way to farm us platoon. He had found a way to farm us out to conventional units that were out to conventional units that were out to conventional units that were getting hit were getting hit on supply getting hit were getting hit on supply getting hit were getting hit on supply routes with with roadside bombs, uh routes with with roadside bombs, uh routes with with roadside bombs, uh suicide bombers, stuff like that. And so suicide bombers, stuff like that. And so suicide bombers, stuff like that. And so we would attach into these conventional we would attach into these conventional we would attach into these conventional units and train them up. Hey, this is units and train them up. Hey, this is units and train them up. Hey, this is how you this is how you run how you this is how you run how you this is how you run surveillance. This is how you come up surveillance. This is how you come up surveillance. This is how you come up with a mission basically. And we would with a mission basically. And we would with a mission basically. And we would teach them everything from how to plan teach them everything from how to plan teach them everything from how to plan the mission to how to set up a sniper the mission to how to set up a sniper the mission to how to set up a sniper hide, how to shoot, how to insert, how hide, how to shoot, how to insert, how hide, how to shoot, how to insert, how to Xfill, uh how to position all the to Xfill, uh how to position all the to Xfill, uh how to position all the different teams. And then we would go different teams. And then we would go different teams. And then we would go out there. We would take them with us out there. We would take them with us out there. We would take them with us and uh hunt the people that were killing and uh hunt the people that were killing and uh hunt the people that were killing our guys. And every time we went out, our guys. And every time we went out, our guys. And every time we went out, we'd we'd we'd we had killed the bad guys, uh, the we had killed the bad guys, uh, the we had killed the bad guys, uh, the terrorists within within 24 hours of terrorists within within 24 hours of terrorists within within 24 hours of being out there. And then we move on to being out there. And then we move on to being out there. And then we move on to the next unit and that was my last the next unit and that was my last the next unit and that was my last deployment.

deployment. deployment. >> When you came back from the SEAL team, >> When you came back from the SEAL team, >> When you came back from the SEAL team, were you a different man? were you a different man? were you a different man? >> Definitely. >> Definitely. >> Definitely. >> In what way were you changed? >> In what way were you changed? >> In what way were you changed? >> A lot of ways. you learn uh a lot of >> A lot of ways. you learn uh a lot of >> A lot of ways. you learn uh a lot of critical life lessons uh in the SEAL critical life lessons uh in the SEAL critical life lessons uh in the SEAL teams and being in environments like teams and being in environments like teams and being in environments like that and your personal drive just goes that and your personal drive just goes that and your personal drive just goes through the roof. Uh what you realize through the roof. Uh what you realize through the roof. Uh what you realize that you can accomplish as a human being that you can accomplish as a human being that you can accomplish as a human being uh is far more than I think what the uh is far more than I think what the uh is far more than I think what the normal person thinks. [snorts] your normal person thinks. [snorts] your normal person thinks. [snorts] your ability to to work in stress uh in ability to to work in stress uh in ability to to work in stress uh in extreme stress uh goes through the roof. extreme stress uh goes through the roof. extreme stress uh goes through the roof. There's another side too. I mean you get There's another side too. I mean you get There's another side too. I mean you get addicted to adrenaline. You get addicted addicted to adrenaline. You get addicted addicted to adrenaline. You get addicted to to to those type envir of environments. You those type envir of environments. You those type envir of environments. You succumb to the culture that comes with succumb to the culture that comes with succumb to the culture that comes with that which is a lot of drinking, that which is a lot of drinking, that which is a lot of drinking, fighting, all those things. fighting, all those things. fighting, all those things. >> So you're in the Navy Seals. >> So you're in the Navy Seals. >> So you're in the Navy Seals. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. You contract with the CIA for a while You contract with the CIA for a while You contract with the CIA for a while and then I guess the other, you know, and then I guess the other, you know, and then I guess the other, you know, pretty tremendous accomplishment is you pretty tremendous accomplishment is you pretty tremendous accomplishment is you now have built one of the biggest now have built one of the biggest now have built one of the biggest podcasts on planet earth where you podcasts on planet earth where you podcasts on planet earth where you interview people just like I do here.

interview people just like I do here. interview people just like I do here. That is correct. Do you think podcasters That is correct. Do you think podcasters That is correct. Do you think podcasters are being compromised by sort of guests are being compromised by sort of guests are being compromised by sort of guests being planted? Yes. being planted? Yes. being planted? Yes. I have no proof, but yes. And in a in a I have no proof, but yes. And in a in a I have no proof, but yes. And in a in a couple of different ways. So here's one couple of different ways. So here's one couple of different ways. So here's one example. example. example. Not just podcast. Let's go influencers, Not just podcast. Let's go influencers, Not just podcast. Let's go influencers, not just podcasters. not just podcasters. not just podcasters. So Trump administration So Trump administration So Trump administration [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] crushed it in the elections in the crushed it in the elections in the crushed it in the elections in the election cycle, right? Different election cycle, right? Different election cycle, right? Different podcasts, they they really utilized the podcasts, they they really utilized the podcasts, they they really utilized the podcast. They saw the power of it. They podcast. They saw the power of it. They podcast. They saw the power of it. They utilized it and uh it was a great utilized it and uh it was a great utilized it and uh it was a great tactic. And then afterwards, you know, I tactic. And then afterwards, you know, I tactic. And then afterwards, you know, I think a lot of podcasters and think a lot of podcasters and think a lot of podcasters and influencers, they felt powerful because, influencers, they felt powerful because, influencers, they felt powerful because, you know, the they got close to the you know, the they got close to the you know, the they got close to the president, they got close to the president, they got close to the president, they got close to the administration. And if you saw what administration. And if you saw what administration. And if you saw what happened, you know, do you remember the happened, you know, do you remember the happened, you know, do you remember the ep the first Epstein file release? ep the first Epstein file release? ep the first Epstein file release? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> When they had all these people show up >> When they had all these people show up >> When they had all these people show up and they're holding up the binders and and they're holding up the binders and and they're holding up the binders and [ __ ] you know, they did not understand [ __ ] you know, they did not understand [ __ ] you know, they did not understand that the minute that happened, they were that the minute that happened, they were that the minute that happened, they were captured.

captured. captured. >> Who was >> Who was >> Who was >> the everybody that was in those >> the everybody that was in those >> the everybody that was in those pictures? pictures? pictures? >> Oh, okay. Yeah. they can no longer be a >> Oh, okay. Yeah. they can no longer be a >> Oh, okay. Yeah. they can no longer be a freethinker because maybe they are a freethinker because maybe they are a freethinker because maybe they are a freethinker but the appearance that they freethinker but the appearance that they freethinker but the appearance that they just gave off is that they are in a just gave off is that they are in a just gave off is that they are in a tribe you know and they were smart to do tribe you know and they were smart to do tribe you know and they were smart to do this and and I've had several invites I this and and I've had several invites I this and and I've had several invites I always turn it down because no I don't I always turn it down because no I don't I always turn it down because no I don't I don't know I'm not doing that don't know I'm not doing that don't know I'm not doing that >> invites to where invites to wherever >> invites to where invites to wherever >> invites to where invites to wherever >> the white house >> the white house >> the white house >> football games the white house this that >> football games the white house this that >> football games the white house this that you know public events where you'll be you know public events where you'll be you know public events where you'll be seen where you'll be photographed where seen where you'll be photographed where seen where you'll be photographed where it looks like everybody's on it looks like everybody's on it looks like everybody's on >> one team and we're all having a party >> one team and we're all having a party >> one team and we're all having a party and we're all friends and all this [ __ ] and we're all friends and all this [ __ ] and we're all friends and all this [ __ ] You know, that's a way to capture what You know, that's a way to capture what You know, that's a way to capture what you're doing without you even realizing you're doing without you even realizing you're doing without you even realizing it and showing the world, hey, look, we it and showing the world, hey, look, we it and showing the world, hey, look, we have we have Steven. We've got him. have we have Steven. We've got him. have we have Steven. We've got him. We've got pictures of him holding We've got pictures of him holding We've got pictures of him holding binders up. We've got pictures of him at binders up. We've got pictures of him at binders up. We've got pictures of him at dinners with us. He's on our team. And dinners with us. He's on our team. And dinners with us. He's on our team. And maybe you didn't want that, but you were maybe you didn't want that, but you were maybe you didn't want that, but you were so fixated on being close to power so fixated on being close to power so fixated on being close to power >> that you didn't even realize it was >> that you didn't even realize it was >> that you didn't even realize it was happening. M. And now those those people happening. M. And now those those people happening. M. And now those those people those people are all captured. It feels those people are all captured. It feels those people are all captured. It feels like once in a lifetime stuff. Hey, we like once in a lifetime stuff. Hey, we like once in a lifetime stuff. Hey, we want you to come, you know, ride on Air want you to come, you know, ride on Air want you to come, you know, ride on Air Force One, ride on Marine One, do this, Force One, ride on Marine One, do this, Force One, ride on Marine One, do this, do this with us, do this.

do this with us, do this. do this with us, do this. >> I'm not doing any of that [ __ ] I know >> I'm not doing any of that [ __ ] I know >> I'm not doing any of that [ __ ] I know what this is. You're trying to capture what this is. You're trying to capture what this is. You're trying to capture me and put me into a group. You know, me and put me into a group. You know, me and put me into a group. You know, you can't allow that to happen. you can't allow that to happen. you can't allow that to happen. Otherwise, you hit a ceiling. And and Otherwise, you hit a ceiling. And and Otherwise, you hit a ceiling. And and the minute that happens, you've hit the the minute that happens, you've hit the the minute that happens, you've hit the ceiling. and you don't know what kind of ceiling. and you don't know what kind of ceiling. and you don't know what kind of decisions these people are going to wind decisions these people are going to wind decisions these people are going to wind up making later on. up making later on. up making later on. >> So that was one of the ways you can be >> So that was one of the ways you can be >> So that was one of the ways you can be captured. captured. captured. >> That's one of the ways you're talking >> That's one of the ways you're talking >> That's one of the ways you're talking about people being inserted into the about people being inserted into the about people being inserted into the podcast circuit. podcast circuit. podcast circuit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think there are definitely >> Yeah. I think there are definitely >> Yeah. I think there are definitely people that are in the podcast circuit people that are in the podcast circuit people that are in the podcast circuit that are planted but maybe they don't that are planted but maybe they don't that are planted but maybe they don't even know even know even know >> guests or hosts or both. >> guests or hosts or both. >> guests or hosts or both. >> Probably both. >> Probably both. >> Probably both. you know, you know, you know, but like you said, we were talking about but like you said, we were talking about but like you said, we were talking about it offline, but yeah, I think there are it offline, but yeah, I think there are it offline, but yeah, I think there are guests that [gasps] guests that [gasps] guests that [gasps] come out of nowhere and all of a sudden come out of nowhere and all of a sudden come out of nowhere and all of a sudden you see these these people that nobody's you see these these people that nobody's you see these these people that nobody's ever heard of and they get just ever heard of and they get just ever heard of and they get just unfathomable traction and numbers, but unfathomable traction and numbers, but unfathomable traction and numbers, but it's not because they have a good life it's not because they have a good life it's not because they have a good life story. It's not because of something story. It's not because of something story. It's not because of something miraculous that they've done. It's just miraculous that they've done. It's just miraculous that they've done. It's just they're talking about current events, they're talking about current events, they're talking about current events, you know, and I think the way that this you know, and I think the way that this you know, and I think the way that this works is, you know, you could talk to works is, you know, you could talk to works is, you know, you could talk to somebody for 2, three, four, five hours, somebody for 2, three, four, five hours, somebody for 2, three, four, five hours, you know, but the mission, you know, the you know, but the mission, you know, the you know, but the mission, you know, the piece of it may only be one sentence piece of it may only be one sentence piece of it may only be one sentence >> that they know is going to hit >> that they know is going to hit >> that they know is going to hit that they know, you know, they're hoping that they know, you know, they're hoping that they know, you know, they're hoping gets clipped gets clipped gets clipped >> or they can clip >> or they can clip >> or they can clip >> and then that goes viral or maybe we've

>> and then that goes viral or maybe we've >> and then that goes viral or maybe we've done something. This has happened to me. done something. This has happened to me. done something. This has happened to me. These people can come on and they'll These people can come on and they'll These people can come on and they'll make predictions about what's going to make predictions about what's going to make predictions about what's going to happen in different geopolitical uh happen in different geopolitical uh happen in different geopolitical uh events that are going around the world. events that are going around the world. events that are going around the world. You know, Ukraine, Israel, Iran, You know, Ukraine, Israel, Iran, You know, Ukraine, Israel, Iran, whatever it is, you know, whatever the whatever it is, you know, whatever the whatever it is, you know, whatever the thing, and then you get a text, you thing, and then you get a text, you thing, and then you get a text, you know, hey, you know, I call I told you know, hey, you know, I call I told you know, hey, you know, I call I told you this was going to happen. And it's like, this was going to happen. And it's like, this was going to happen. And it's like, you did tell me. How the [ __ ] did you you did tell me. How the [ __ ] did you you did tell me. How the [ __ ] did you know that? know that? know that? >> You know, and and it's like, how do you >> You know, and and it's like, how do you >> You know, and and it's like, how do you how do you even remember how do you even remember how do you even remember >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> that you said that? Because you did 50 >> that you said that? Because you did 50 >> that you said that? Because you did 50 shows, you know, you did 50 different shows, you know, you did 50 different shows, you know, you did 50 different podcasts and in a two month span. How do podcasts and in a two month span. How do podcasts and in a two month span. How do you remember you said that on mine? you remember you said that on mine? you remember you said that on mine? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And when I have things like that happen, >> And when I have things like that happen, >> And when I have things like that happen, I'm like, "Oh, I'm like, "Oh, I'm like, "Oh, they got me." they got me." they got me." >> I wouldn't have believed any of this. I >> I wouldn't have believed any of this. I >> I wouldn't have believed any of this. I wouldn't, as an ordinary civilian, I wouldn't, as an ordinary civilian, I wouldn't, as an ordinary civilian, I wouldn't have believed any of this stuff wouldn't have believed any of this stuff wouldn't have believed any of this stuff even existed. until I started learning even existed. until I started learning even existed. until I started learning about the spy organizations around the about the spy organizations around the about the spy organizations around the world and because I don't how do I say world and because I don't how do I say world and because I don't how do I say this? You kind of grow up thinking the this? You kind of grow up thinking the this? You kind of grow up thinking the world is as it seems and then you learn world is as it seems and then you learn world is as it seems and then you learn and then you see I don't know James Bond and then you see I don't know James Bond and then you see I don't know James Bond and you go okay that's a movie and at and you go okay that's a movie and at and you go okay that's a movie and at some point I realized that these things some point I realized that these things some point I realized that these things were actually true like that there are were actually true like that there are were actually true like that there are lots of different um sort of spy lots of different um sort of spy lots of different um sort of spy agencies and networks around the world agencies and networks around the world agencies and networks around the world and they use all these operations. They and they use all these operations. They and they use all these operations. They compromise people. They put them in compromise people. They put them in compromise people. They put them in certain situations. There are people certain situations. There are people certain situations. There are people living here in New York City right now living here in New York City right now living here in New York City right now that are living lives we assume are that are living lives we assume are that are living lives we assume are real. They've got families. They've got real. They've got families. They've got real. They've got families. They've got jobs. They've got businesses. They've jobs. They've got businesses. They've jobs. They've got businesses. They've got all these things. but they're got all these things. but they're got all these things. but they're actually planted from another country

actually planted from another country actually planted from another country and that other country is like funneling and that other country is like funneling and that other country is like funneling the money to support them and prop up a the money to support them and prop up a the money to support them and prop up a fake life. Like when I learned all these fake life. Like when I learned all these fake life. Like when I learned all these things, I suddenly became very cautious things, I suddenly became very cautious things, I suddenly became very cautious generally about like calling anything a generally about like calling anything a generally about like calling anything a conspiracy. conspiracy. conspiracy. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And then you sit here with these spies, >> And then you sit here with these spies, >> And then you sit here with these spies, I mean probably you've interviewed a lot I mean probably you've interviewed a lot I mean probably you've interviewed a lot of CIA spies. If someone had heard of CIA spies. If someone had heard of CIA spies. If someone had heard someone saying this on a podcast, I someone saying this on a podcast, I someone saying this on a podcast, I would have thought they were a would have thought they were a would have thought they were a conspiracy theorist. conspiracy theorist. conspiracy theorist. >> I would have dismissed it and gone >> I would have dismissed it and gone >> I would have dismissed it and gone [ __ ] idiots. Now maybe from doing [ __ ] idiots. Now maybe from doing [ __ ] idiots. Now maybe from doing this, no, no, no, no. I it makes logical this, no, no, no, no. I it makes logical this, no, no, no, no. I it makes logical sense to me. Like if I was insert sense to me. Like if I was insert sense to me. Like if I was insert adversary, adversary, adversary, that's what I would do. I would get that's what I would do. I would get that's what I would do. I would get insert great uh podcast guest. I'd get insert great uh podcast guest. I'd get insert great uh podcast guest. I'd get them because I'd know that the minute them because I'd know that the minute them because I'd know that the minute they have one good podcast performance, they have one good podcast performance, they have one good podcast performance, every podcast calls them. every podcast calls them. every podcast calls them. >> You can do a 100 million views off just >> You can do a 100 million views off just >> You can do a 100 million views off just one good podcast performance. And can one good podcast performance. And can one good podcast performance. And can you [clears throat] influence a podcast you [clears throat] influence a podcast you [clears throat] influence a podcast performance? Can you send traffic to a performance? Can you send traffic to a performance? Can you send traffic to a podcast? Theoretically, could you? Of podcast? Theoretically, could you? Of podcast? Theoretically, could you? Of course you could. course you could. course you could. >> I think you could. >> I think you could. >> I think you could. I think that you I think that they I think that you I think that they I think that you I think that they >> I think that they have people inside of >> I think that they have people inside of >> I think that they have people inside of all the platforms that we use. Here's an all the platforms that we use. Here's an all the platforms that we use. Here's an example. I started talking about a example. I started talking about a example. I started talking about a certain subject very early on. And I'm certain subject very early on. And I'm certain subject very early on. And I'm not going to say we got shadowbanned, not going to say we got shadowbanned, not going to say we got shadowbanned, but there was a lot I'm still not even but there was a lot I'm still not even but there was a lot I'm still not even in the top most what what is that in the top most what what is that in the top most what what is that section in YouTube? The most popular section in YouTube? The most popular section in YouTube? The most popular podcast. We're number three on Spotify podcast. We're number three on Spotify podcast. We're number three on Spotify today. We've been the number one on today. We've been the number one on today. We've been the number one on YouTube uh several different times, but YouTube uh several different times, but YouTube uh several different times, but I can't get into the my my show will not I can't get into the my my show will not I can't get into the my my show will not appear in popular podcasts because appear in popular podcasts because appear in popular podcasts because something that I was saying a long time

something that I was saying a long time something that I was saying a long time ago. It was it it had to do with um ago. It was it it had to do with um ago. It was it it had to do with um terrorism. terrorism. terrorism. >> Oh, this section. >> Oh, this section. >> Oh, this section. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> you'll never see mine in there. >> you'll never see mine in there. >> you'll never see mine in there. >> H >> H >> H >> we get like 150 to 200 million views a >> we get like 150 to 200 million views a >> we get like 150 to 200 million views a month. month. month. It's not in there. It's not in there. It's not in there. >> Yeah. Hey, you've got more US views this >> Yeah. Hey, you've got more US views this >> Yeah. Hey, you've got more US views this week than Rogan has. week than Rogan has. week than Rogan has. >> Isn't it? But anyways, so I >> Isn't it? But anyways, so I >> Isn't it? But anyways, so I [clears throat] think that there are [clears throat] think that there are [clears throat] think that there are people inside, you know, and I'm not people inside, you know, and I'm not people inside, you know, and I'm not saying that the companies even know, you saying that the companies even know, you saying that the companies even know, you know, cuz that's how that's how this know, cuz that's how that's how this know, cuz that's how that's how this game works. This is the intelligence game works. This is the intelligence game works. This is the intelligence work is, you know, is the primary job, work is, you know, is the primary job, work is, you know, is the primary job, but the cover is, oh, I'm just an but the cover is, oh, I'm just an but the cover is, oh, I'm just an employee at YouTube. employee at YouTube. employee at YouTube. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? Oh, I'm just an >> You know what I mean? Oh, I'm just an >> You know what I mean? Oh, I'm just an employee at Meta. Oh, I'm just an employee at Meta. Oh, I'm just an employee at Meta. Oh, I'm just an employee at Tik Tok. Oh, I'm just an employee at Tik Tok. Oh, I'm just an employee at Tik Tok. Oh, I'm just an employee. But it's a mole inside the employee. But it's a mole inside the employee. But it's a mole inside the organization that nobody really realizes organization that nobody really realizes organization that nobody really realizes is happening. >> You know, Annie Jacobson calls it uh >> You know, Annie Jacobson calls it uh speculative narratives speculative narratives speculative narratives instead of conspiracy theories.

instead of conspiracy theories. instead of conspiracy theories. >> Speculative narratives. >> Speculative narratives. >> Speculative narratives. >> Speculative narratives. I love that. >> Speculative narratives. I love that. >> Speculative narratives. I love that. >> I mean, she knows a lot about conspiracy >> I mean, she knows a lot about conspiracy >> I mean, she knows a lot about conspiracy theories herself. I mean, she's like theories herself. I mean, she's like theories herself. I mean, she's like basically studied and proven a lot of basically studied and proven a lot of basically studied and proven a lot of them aren't conspiracies. So, I'm them aren't conspiracies. So, I'm them aren't conspiracies. So, I'm guessing she she's saying that in a way guessing she she's saying that in a way guessing she she's saying that in a way that is supportive of the idea that that is supportive of the idea that that is supportive of the idea that these speculative narratives are often these speculative narratives are often these speculative narratives are often true. true. true. >> Mhm. I'm not complaining. I have a great >> Mhm. I'm not complaining. I have a great >> Mhm. I'm not complaining. I have a great I have a great partnership with YouTube. I have a great partnership with YouTube. I have a great partnership with YouTube. I love they've been great to me. You I love they've been great to me. You I love they've been great to me. You know what I mean? I don't really give a know what I mean? I don't really give a know what I mean? I don't really give a [ __ ] if I'm in that or not. I just find [ __ ] if I'm in that or not. I just find [ __ ] if I'm in that or not. I just find it very odd that we're not, it very odd that we're not, it very odd that we're not, >> you know? [laughter] >> you know? [laughter] >> you know? [laughter] It's just like, well, this doesn't make It's just like, well, this doesn't make It's just like, well, this doesn't make much sense. I think with all platforms much sense. I think with all platforms much sense. I think with all platforms there is there's a there's a human there is there's a there's a human there is there's a there's a human element where there's someone at the element where there's someone at the element where there's someone at the office picking. office picking. office picking. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I mean that's the case with all it seems >> I mean that's the case with all it seems >> I mean that's the case with all it seems to be the case with all these platforms. to be the case with all these platforms. to be the case with all these platforms. Did you endorse Trump before he before Did you endorse Trump before he before Did you endorse Trump before he before the election? the election? the election? >> I was supportive of him. I wanted him to >> I was supportive of him. I wanted him to >> I was supportive of him. I wanted him to win. I don't think I gave any official win. I don't think I gave any official win. I don't think I gave any official endorsements or anything. I did get put endorsements or anything. I did get put endorsements or anything. I did get put in that that sphere. What nobody in that that sphere. What nobody in that that sphere. What nobody remembers is I've I offered the remembers is I've I offered the remembers is I've I offered the Democratic party I mean you can look it Democratic party I mean you can look it Democratic party I mean you can look it up. I think it's on the Washington Post up. I think it's on the Washington Post up. I think it's on the Washington Post and we were talking to Kamla's team. I and we were talking to Kamla's team. I and we were talking to Kamla's team. I wanted to have her on. I wanted to have wanted to have her on. I wanted to have wanted to have her on. I wanted to have everybody on.

everybody on. everybody on. >> So they said no. Comma Harris's team >> So they said no. Comma Harris's team >> So they said no. Comma Harris's team said no. said no. said no. >> They said no. But it wasn't just a hard >> They said no. But it wasn't just a hard >> They said no. But it wasn't just a hard note. We were talking about it. We were note. We were talking about it. We were note. We were talking about it. We were coming up with an outline. They I had coming up with an outline. They I had coming up with an outline. They I had all these things that I wanted to talk all these things that I wanted to talk all these things that I wanted to talk about. They said, "Well, we don't want about. They said, "Well, we don't want about. They said, "Well, we don't want to talk about that. We don't want to." I to talk about that. We don't want to." I to talk about that. We don't want to." I said, "I'll tell you what. You guys just said, "I'll tell you what. You guys just said, "I'll tell you what. You guys just tell me what you I don't care what you tell me what you I don't care what you tell me what you I don't care what you want to talk about. I know I can hold my want to talk about. I know I can hold my want to talk about. I know I can hold my own. So you you give me the topics and own. So you you give me the topics and own. So you you give me the topics and I'll develop the outline. How about I'll develop the outline. How about I'll develop the outline. How about that? that? that? >> And when Trump came on, was there >> And when Trump came on, was there >> And when Trump came on, was there anything he didn't want to talk about? anything he didn't want to talk about? anything he didn't want to talk about? >> There were no guidelines. >> There were no guidelines. >> There were no guidelines. >> I think this should be a little bit of a >> I think this should be a little bit of a >> I think this should be a little bit of a sort of a a lesson for the Democratic sort of a a lesson for the Democratic sort of a a lesson for the Democratic party about how to navigate in this party about how to navigate in this party about how to navigate in this these environments. these environments. these environments. >> Yeah, they're learning. >> Yeah, they're learning. >> Yeah, they're learning. >> When Kamala came on my show, which was >> When Kamala came on my show, which was >> When Kamala came on my show, which was after the election and after she'd lost after the election and after she'd lost after the election and after she'd lost and all that stuff, no guidelines. and all that stuff, no guidelines. and all that stuff, no guidelines. >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> Is there? That's good. >> Is there? That's good. >> Is there? That's good. >> She didn't tell me there was anything I >> She didn't tell me there was anything I >> She didn't tell me there was anything I couldn't talk about, but I think at that couldn't talk about, but I think at that couldn't talk about, but I think at that point she had they had nothing to lose. point she had they had nothing to lose. point she had they had nothing to lose. I actually think at that point she I actually think at that point she I actually think at that point she didn't even have the same team anymore. didn't even have the same team anymore. didn't even have the same team anymore. >> That's good. She came in, she was, in my >> That's good. She came in, she was, in my >> That's good. She came in, she was, in my view, she was honest. She She said Joe view, she was honest. She She said Joe view, she was honest. She She said Joe Biden kind of screwed me over. She was Biden kind of screwed me over. She was Biden kind of screwed me over. She was swearing. swearing. swearing. >> She There was none of this sort of like >> She There was none of this sort of like >> She There was none of this sort of like cookie cutter polish politician cookie cutter polish politician cookie cutter polish politician [ __ ] She just was super relaxed.

[ __ ] She just was super relaxed. [ __ ] She just was super relaxed. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> And I just wish you'd offered that side >> And I just wish you'd offered that side >> And I just wish you'd offered that side of her to shows like yours beforehand of her to shows like yours beforehand of her to shows like yours beforehand cuz it would have been good to see the cuz it would have been good to see the cuz it would have been good to see the comparison. Yeah, that's what I wanted comparison. Yeah, that's what I wanted comparison. Yeah, that's what I wanted to do, you know, and uh I I had RFK on to do, you know, and uh I I had RFK on to do, you know, and uh I I had RFK on when he was still running as an when he was still running as an when he was still running as an independent, but yeah, we we got very independent, but yeah, we we got very independent, but yeah, we we got very close to Camala and then at the last close to Camala and then at the last close to Camala and then at the last minute uh they backed out. I wish it minute uh they backed out. I wish it minute uh they backed out. I wish it would have happened. I don't think it would have happened. I don't think it would have happened. I don't think it would have changed the outcome, but um would have changed the outcome, but um would have changed the outcome, but um but I wish it would have happened. but I wish it would have happened. but I wish it would have happened. >> Have you changed your opinion on Trump >> Have you changed your opinion on Trump >> Have you changed your opinion on Trump now? now? now? >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Why? >> Why? >> Why? >> Oh, man. for just for a multitude of >> Oh, man. for just for a multitude of >> Oh, man. for just for a multitude of reasons. I'm just, you know, to put it reasons. I'm just, you know, to put it reasons. I'm just, you know, to put it plainly, I'm I'm not really [sighs] plainly, I'm I'm not really [sighs] plainly, I'm I'm not really [sighs] happy about anything that's happening happy about anything that's happening happy about anything that's happening right now. I think he's totally gone right now. I think he's totally gone right now. I think he's totally gone against what he said he was going to do. against what he said he was going to do. against what he said he was going to do. And what do you think? Are you happy? And what do you think? Are you happy? And what do you think? Are you happy? >> I'm not an American, so I tend to like >> I'm not an American, so I tend to like >> I'm not an American, so I tend to like try and you know, but I think I mean, try and you know, but I think I mean, try and you know, but I think I mean, one of the things I think a lot about is one of the things I think a lot about is one of the things I think a lot about is this situation in Iran and um how much this situation in Iran and um how much this situation in Iran and um how much of a blunder that appears to be. I you of a blunder that appears to be. I you of a blunder that appears to be. I you know I don't know a ton about the know I don't know a ton about the know I don't know a ton about the military or war or conflict but military or war or conflict but military or war or conflict but logically I can't reason my way out of logically I can't reason my way out of logically I can't reason my way out of that situation like I can't find a good that situation like I can't find a good that situation like I can't find a good outcome at this point to what's going on outcome at this point to what's going on outcome at this point to what's going on there and because you have been a there and because you have been a there and because you have been a service person you served served for service person you served served for service person you served served for America I was curious to get your America I was curious to get your America I was curious to get your perspective on what you think is going perspective on what you think is going perspective on what you think is going on there and do you see a a golden on there and do you see a a golden on there and do you see a a golden bridge or a positive outcome?

bridge or a positive outcome? bridge or a positive outcome? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. I I don't at this point I I don't I >> No. I I don't at this point I I don't I >> No. I I don't at this point I I don't I don't know what's going on there don't know what's going on there don't know what's going on there anymore. Nothing seems to make any damn anymore. Nothing seems to make any damn anymore. Nothing seems to make any damn sense to me. I don't think there's any sense to me. I don't think there's any sense to me. I don't think there's any positive outcome for America. positive outcome for America. positive outcome for America. >> When you talk to your former colleagues >> When you talk to your former colleagues >> When you talk to your former colleagues in the military, what's the general in the military, what's the general in the military, what's the general sentiment around the deployment and the sentiment around the deployment and the sentiment around the deployment and the situation there? situation there? situation there? >> They think that they are involved for >> They think that they are involved for >> They think that they are involved for for another country's uh interests. for another country's uh interests. for another country's uh interests. >> Whose interests is it for? I think >> Whose interests is it for? I think >> Whose interests is it for? I think Israel probably has the majority of the Israel probably has the majority of the Israel probably has the majority of the interest here. interest here. interest here. >> I sat with JD Vance. He said that, you >> I sat with JD Vance. He said that, you >> I sat with JD Vance. He said that, you know, we're the he said we're the we're know, we're the he said we're the we're know, we're the he said we're the we're the senior partner, but it sounds like the senior partner, but it sounds like the senior partner, but it sounds like your colleagues are saying that maybe your colleagues are saying that maybe your colleagues are saying that maybe that's not necessarily the case. that's not necessarily the case. that's not necessarily the case. >> It doesn't seem like that's the case to >> It doesn't seem like that's the case to >> It doesn't seem like that's the case to me. me. me. >> Did you buy the narrative that Trump >> Did you buy the narrative that Trump >> Did you buy the narrative that Trump invaded or started the war for reasons invaded or started the war for reasons invaded or started the war for reasons related to nuclear weapons? related to nuclear weapons? related to nuclear weapons? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. What do you think the real reason >> No. What do you think the real reason >> No. What do you think the real reason is, Sean? is, Sean? is, Sean? >> I don't know. You know, anything I say >> I don't know. You know, anything I say >> I don't know. You know, anything I say would just be speculative, but I don't would just be speculative, but I don't would just be speculative, but I don't think they're for our interests.

think they're for our interests. think they're for our interests. >> And so, why would Trump be sucked into >> And so, why would Trump be sucked into >> And so, why would Trump be sucked into doing something for a non-American doing something for a non-American doing something for a non-American country's interests? country's interests? country's interests? >> That's a great question. I don't know >> That's a great question. I don't know >> That's a great question. I don't know the answer to. the answer to. the answer to. >> Do you think America would have be >> Do you think America would have be >> Do you think America would have be better off if the Democrats had won? I better off if the Democrats had won? I better off if the Democrats had won? I think that seemingly more and more to be one and seemingly more and more to be one and the same. the same. the same. >> And this is why you're sort of >> And this is why you're sort of >> And this is why you're sort of retracting from politics is because retracting from politics is because retracting from politics is because you're sort of you sounded like you're a you're sort of you sounded like you're a you're sort of you sounded like you're a bit disillusioned by one of these bit disillusioned by one of these bit disillusioned by one of these candidates. Yeah, I've had I mean it candidates. Yeah, I've had I mean it candidates. Yeah, I've had I mean it just just just pretty much every one of them that I've pretty much every one of them that I've pretty much every one of them that I've had on has just slied straight to my had on has just slied straight to my had on has just slied straight to my face face face >> really until everybody who watches. You >> really until everybody who watches. You >> really until everybody who watches. You know what I'm interested in is is I know what I'm interested in is is I know what I'm interested in is is I think that there is a possibility that think that there is a possibility that think that there is a possibility that maybe it's already happened but I think maybe it's already happened but I think maybe it's already happened but I think that there's a possibility that America that there's a possibility that America that there's a possibility that America uh may no longer be the superpower or uh may no longer be the superpower or uh may no longer be the superpower or will not be shortly for a multitude of will not be shortly for a multitude of will not be shortly for a multitude of reasons. I mean, if you look at, you reasons. I mean, if you look at, you reasons. I mean, if you look at, you know, the the power that that China's know, the the power that that China's know, the the power that that China's power structure, nuclear, they're going power structure, nuclear, they're going power structure, nuclear, they're going nuclear, and we're still batting around nuclear, and we're still batting around nuclear, and we're still batting around this [ __ ] here in America. Should we go this [ __ ] here in America. Should we go this [ __ ] here in America. Should we go nuclear? What are we going to do about nuclear? What are we going to do about nuclear? What are we going to do about our power grid? And the petro dollar. I our power grid? And the petro dollar. I our power grid? And the petro dollar. I mean, you've had um what's that guy's mean, you've had um what's that guy's mean, you've had um what's that guy's name? He does a great breakdown on it.

name? He does a great breakdown on it. name? He does a great breakdown on it. Professor Professor Professor the game theory guy. the game theory guy. the game theory guy. >> Yeah. Professor Chung. >> Yeah. Professor Chung. >> Yeah. Professor Chung. >> Yeah. He does a great breakdown of it. >> Yeah. He does a great breakdown of it. >> Yeah. He does a great breakdown of it. And I I mean when you think about it, And I I mean when you think about it, And I I mean when you think about it, it's like holy [ __ ] And and you think it's like holy [ __ ] And and you think it's like holy [ __ ] And and you think about everybody that we've pissed off, about everybody that we've pissed off, about everybody that we've pissed off, you know, in America. I mean like Canada you know, in America. I mean like Canada you know, in America. I mean like Canada for example, for example, for example, >> you know, they wanted to pipe in uh what >> you know, they wanted to pipe in uh what >> you know, they wanted to pipe in uh what is the Keystone pipeline. Biden said no. is the Keystone pipeline. Biden said no. is the Keystone pipeline. Biden said no. They don't want to. They don't want to. They don't want to. >> Trump says so they start to make deals >> Trump says so they start to make deals >> Trump says so they start to make deals with other countries, China. with other countries, China. with other countries, China. [sighs and gasps] Now Trump is [sighs and gasps] Now Trump is [sighs and gasps] Now Trump is penalizing him for it. I can't remember penalizing him for it. I can't remember penalizing him for it. I can't remember the exact uh tariffs, but it went from the exact uh tariffs, but it went from the exact uh tariffs, but it went from somewhere around 25% to 50% to 100% or somewhere around 25% to 50% to 100% or somewhere around 25% to 50% to 100% or you know, whatever. But we're penalizing you know, whatever. But we're penalizing you know, whatever. But we're penalizing them and it's like [ __ ] man. 4 years them and it's like [ __ ] man. 4 years them and it's like [ __ ] man. 4 years ago or less. They wanted to pipe it in. ago or less. They wanted to pipe it in. ago or less. They wanted to pipe it in. Now we got this new guy. He want And now Now we got this new guy. He want And now Now we got this new guy. He want And now we're going to penalize him because we're going to penalize him because we're going to penalize him because they're not going to pipe it in. And they're not going to pipe it in. And they're not going to pipe it in. And they're looking at us like, "These they're looking at us like, "These they're looking at us like, "These people are [ __ ] crazy. They're like people are [ __ ] crazy. They're like people are [ __ ] crazy. They're like dealing with a schizophrenic. How do you dealing with a schizophrenic. How do you dealing with a schizophrenic. How do you do business with that? I mean, as a do business with that? I mean, as a do business with that? I mean, as a business owner, as an entrepreneur, you business owner, as an entrepreneur, you business owner, as an entrepreneur, you can't do business with with with an can't do business with with with an can't do business with with with an entity like that. You can't. And I think entity like that. You can't. And I think entity like that. You can't. And I think the whole world is is seeing this, you the whole world is is seeing this, you the whole world is is seeing this, you know, because it's happening to damn know, because it's happening to damn know, because it's happening to damn near the whole world near the whole world near the whole world except one country, Israel.

But everybody else, you know, we're But everybody else, you know, we're destroying our relationships with and destroying our relationships with and destroying our relationships with and and yeah, does does the US, you know, and yeah, does does the US, you know, and yeah, does does the US, you know, put in the majority of the money and put in the majority of the money and put in the majority of the money and take the, you know, like put in the take the, you know, like put in the take the, you know, like put in the majority of the risk, you know, with a majority of the risk, you know, with a majority of the risk, you know, with a lot of the things? Yes, we do. But we lot of the things? Yes, we do. But we lot of the things? Yes, we do. But we still need allies, you know, and and you still need allies, you know, and and you still need allies, you know, and and you can't just [ __ ] can't just [ __ ] can't just [ __ ] and ruin everybody's trade and ruin everybody's trade and ruin everybody's trade infrastructure and oil trade and and and infrastructure and oil trade and and and infrastructure and oil trade and and and and penalize people for and penalize people for and penalize people for making changes for some for something making changes for some for something making changes for some for something that they tried to do earlier, you know, that they tried to do earlier, you know, that they tried to do earlier, you know, with you and and it's happening all over with you and and it's happening all over with you and and it's happening all over the world. And so one of the things that the world. And so one of the things that the world. And so one of the things that I'm interested in uh that I'm looking I'm interested in uh that I'm looking I'm interested in uh that I'm looking for is I want to start talking to for is I want to start talking to for is I want to start talking to starting with the UK. I want to talk starting with the UK. I want to talk starting with the UK. I want to talk about when you know what did it look about when you know what did it look about when you know what did it look like for the UK when when the US took like for the UK when when the US took like for the UK when when the US took the the superpower ship you know back in the the superpower ship you know back in the the superpower ship you know back in World War II. What did that actually World War II. What did that actually World War II. What did that actually look like? Because all we hear is all look like? Because all we hear is all look like? Because all we hear is all this doom and gloom and you know oh you this doom and gloom and you know oh you this doom and gloom and you know oh you know it's going to be lawless. It's know it's going to be lawless. It's know it's going to be lawless. It's going to you know our currency is going going to you know our currency is going going to you know our currency is going to go to zero. Look that that all might to go to zero. Look that that all might to go to zero. Look that that all might happen. It might. I don't know. I'm not.

happen. It might. I don't know. I'm not. happen. It might. I don't know. I'm not. But it might be. Maybe it's I don't But it might be. Maybe it's I don't But it might be. Maybe it's I don't know. Maybe it's a good thing. Was it know. Maybe it's a good thing. Was it know. Maybe it's a good thing. Was it that bad in the UK when So, I want to that bad in the UK when So, I want to that bad in the UK when So, I want to bring on a historian to actually find bring on a historian to actually find bring on a historian to actually find out what what exactly did that look out what what exactly did that look out what what exactly did that look like. I'll tell you one thing. If we do like. I'll tell you one thing. If we do like. I'll tell you one thing. If we do lose it, it's going to take a lot of lose it, it's going to take a lot of lose it, it's going to take a lot of these a lot of pack money, you know, out these a lot of pack money, you know, out these a lot of pack money, you know, out of US politics. is going to, you know, of US politics. is going to, you know, of US politics. is going to, you know, hopefully force politicians to actually hopefully force politicians to actually hopefully force politicians to actually look at our country look at our country look at our country and and concentrate on our country. You and and concentrate on our country. You and and concentrate on our country. You know, another thing I want to do, I I I know, another thing I want to do, I I I know, another thing I want to do, I I I probably shouldn't even be saying this. probably shouldn't even be saying this. probably shouldn't even be saying this. I want to do a thing called 50 states in I want to do a thing called 50 states in I want to do a thing called 50 states in 50 days where you go to the poorest 50 days where you go to the poorest 50 days where you go to the poorest parts of each state and just film it and parts of each state and just film it and parts of each state and just film it and look at this [ __ ] Look at this [ __ ] look at this [ __ ] Look at this [ __ ] look at this [ __ ] Look at this [ __ ] Why are we sending all of our money to Why are we sending all of our money to Why are we sending all of our money to all of these other foreign countries all of these other foreign countries all of these other foreign countries when this [ __ ] is happening right here when this [ __ ] is happening right here when this [ __ ] is happening right here in New York? Tomorrow we're going to be in New York? Tomorrow we're going to be in New York? Tomorrow we're going to be in New Jersey and the next day we're in New Jersey and the next day we're in New Jersey and the next day we're going to be in Wisconsin. And then we're going to be in Wisconsin. And then we're going to be in Wisconsin. And then we're going to go to California, Alabama, going to go to California, Alabama, going to go to California, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, every single Mississippi, Florida, every single Mississippi, Florida, every single state, and just show how much poverty state, and just show how much poverty state, and just show how much poverty and how disgusting certain parts of this and how disgusting certain parts of this and how disgusting certain parts of this country are. And why the [ __ ] are we country are. And why the [ __ ] are we country are. And why the [ __ ] are we sending all of our money to all these sending all of our money to all these sending all of our money to all these foreign countries?

foreign countries? foreign countries? instead of taking care of our own instead of taking care of our own instead of taking care of our own people. It's disgusting. people. It's disgusting. people. It's disgusting. Our politicians have totally abandoned Our politicians have totally abandoned Our politicians have totally abandoned us. They're just us. They're just us. They're just they're runaways. they're runaways. they're runaways. And then I want to call out every single And then I want to call out every single And then I want to call out every single senator, congressman, governor, and just senator, congressman, governor, and just senator, congressman, governor, and just look at this. This is your state. This look at this. This is your state. This look at this. This is your state. This is your state. This is the state that is your state. This is the state that is your state. This is the state that you represent, and this [ __ ] is you represent, and this [ __ ] is you represent, and this [ __ ] is happening all around you. Look at this. happening all around you. Look at this. happening all around you. Look at this. H there's both I guess a disrespect H there's both I guess a disrespect H there's both I guess a disrespect here at home but there's also as you here at home but there's also as you here at home but there's also as you point it like a disrespect of allies and point it like a disrespect of allies and point it like a disrespect of allies and you know you can put the tariff there you know you can put the tariff there you know you can put the tariff there and whatever but I think one of the and whatever but I think one of the and whatever but I think one of the things that made the US the superpower things that made the US the superpower things that made the US the superpower that it is still but you know that's that it is still but you know that's that it is still but you know that's increasingly in question is there was increasingly in question is there was increasingly in question is there was this sort of peace by strength or this sort of peace by strength or this sort of peace by strength or whatever the phrase is whatever the phrase is whatever the phrase is >> like you're strong because you never >> like you're strong because you never >> like you're strong because you never really have to like say you are you really have to like say you are you really have to like say you are you don't act like a bully don't act like a bully don't act like a bully >> but we just know [clears throat] you're >> but we just know [clears throat] you're >> but we just know [clears throat] you're strong and then the minute you start strong and then the minute you start strong and then the minute you start acting like a bully, we start going, is acting like a bully, we start going, is acting like a bully, we start going, is that strength or is that insecurity?

that strength or is that insecurity? that strength or is that insecurity? >> You know, this the minute you start >> You know, this the minute you start >> You know, this the minute you start insulting countries and being rude about insulting countries and being rude about insulting countries and being rude about their leaders and saying that I don't their leaders and saying that I don't their leaders and saying that I don't know, Canada is the 52nd state or know, Canada is the 52nd state or know, Canada is the 52nd state or whatever Trump said, that's when it whatever Trump said, that's when it whatever Trump said, that's when it starts to look a little bit more like starts to look a little bit more like starts to look a little bit more like insecurity. insecurity. insecurity. >> And also, that's when I think some of >> And also, that's when I think some of >> And also, that's when I think some of these nations go, [ __ ] like maybe we these nations go, [ __ ] like maybe we these nations go, [ __ ] like maybe we need to band together ourselves instead need to band together ourselves instead need to band together ourselves instead of banding together with the United of banding together with the United of banding together with the United States. And I think you're seeing that States. And I think you're seeing that States. And I think you're seeing that in Europe now with what's going on with in Europe now with what's going on with in Europe now with what's going on with Iran. The European leaders are now Iran. The European leaders are now Iran. The European leaders are now coming back together and saying, "Fuck, coming back together and saying, "Fuck, coming back together and saying, "Fuck, like we might not be as safe as we like we might not be as safe as we like we might not be as safe as we thought we were um with in the US's, you thought we were um with in the US's, you thought we were um with in the US's, you know, with the US's leadership. And so know, with the US's leadership. And so know, with the US's leadership. And so we need to form a new type of we need to form a new type of we need to form a new type of leadership." It's it's it's an interest leadership." It's it's it's an interest leadership." It's it's it's an interest really interesting time. And you know really interesting time. And you know really interesting time. And you know what? One might say that China are what? One might say that China are what? One might say that China are playing it very smart, not making playing it very smart, not making playing it very smart, not making enemies with anybody. That calm enemies with anybody. That calm enemies with anybody. That calm strength. strength. strength. >> They don't need to do anything. They're >> They don't need to do anything. They're >> They don't need to do anything. They're watching us self-destruct right now. in watching us self-destruct right now. in watching us self-destruct right now. in real time. real time. real time. >> Do you care about the 2028 election? Are >> Do you care about the 2028 election? Are >> Do you care about the 2028 election? Are you going to get involved in it if the you going to get involved in it if the you going to get involved in it if the politicians will want to come back on politicians will want to come back on politicians will want to come back on your show? your show? your show? >> I don't know. I mean, [sighs] >> I don't know. I mean, [sighs] >> I don't know. I mean, [sighs] it depends. Right now, I think probably it depends. Right now, I think probably it depends. Right now, I think probably not. If there were to be some type of a not. If there were to be some type of a not. If there were to be some type of a third party, then I would probably get third party, then I would probably get third party, then I would probably get involved.

involved. involved. But right now, uh, with what I see, I But right now, uh, with what I see, I But right now, uh, with what I see, I just don't really see any strong just don't really see any strong just don't really see any strong candidates. You mentioned you had candidates. You mentioned you had candidates. You mentioned you had someone on your podcast called Blair someone on your podcast called Blair someone on your podcast called Blair >> who said something which was slightly >> who said something which was slightly >> who said something which was slightly suspicious to you. suspicious to you. suspicious to you. >> Blair Skoro. >> Blair Skoro. >> Blair Skoro. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think that ICE got him and >> Yeah. Yeah. I think that ICE got him and >> Yeah. Yeah. I think that ICE got him and they're trying to deport him out of the they're trying to deport him out of the they're trying to deport him out of the country or something. We got an email country or something. We got an email country or something. We got an email about it, which if he was uh an asset, about it, which if he was uh an asset, about it, which if he was uh an asset, actually did all that stuff for us, actually did all that stuff for us, actually did all that stuff for us, which, you know, I think he did. which, you know, I think he did. which, you know, I think he did. >> What happened? >> What happened? >> What happened? >> I guess I I don't know the full scope. I >> I guess I I don't know the full scope. I >> I guess I I don't know the full scope. I just know that uh he got wrapped up by just know that uh he got wrapped up by just know that uh he got wrapped up by ICE and it sounds like they're going to ICE and it sounds like they're going to ICE and it sounds like they're going to deport him and that he's worried that if deport him and that he's worried that if deport him and that he's worried that if they deport him that he's going to be they deport him that he's going to be they deport him that he's going to be killed. Apparently ICE doesn't care killed. Apparently ICE doesn't care killed. Apparently ICE doesn't care about that. But [snorts and gasps] about that. But [snorts and gasps] about that. But [snorts and gasps] yeah, you know, he came on and we were yeah, you know, he came on and we were yeah, you know, he came on and we were talking about it was a life story talking about it was a life story talking about it was a life story basically in a nutshell. He came on and basically in a nutshell. He came on and basically in a nutshell. He came on and he was a he got recruited out of prison he was a he got recruited out of prison he was a he got recruited out of prison to infiltrate the Islamic terrorist to infiltrate the Islamic terrorist to infiltrate the Islamic terrorist cells, the Muslim Brotherhood. cells, the Muslim Brotherhood. cells, the Muslim Brotherhood. >> He's an American. He is from uh I can't >> He's an American. He is from uh I can't >> He's an American. He is from uh I can't remember uh eastern block country. He remember uh eastern block country. He remember uh eastern block country. He was able to infiltrate all these uh like was able to infiltrate all these uh like was able to infiltrate all these uh like huge like terrorist cells that had huge huge like terrorist cells that had huge huge like terrorist cells that had huge weapons cachets and he would go and and weapons cachets and he would go and and weapons cachets and he would go and and he was a CIA asset and he would go and he was a CIA asset and he would go and he was a CIA asset and he would go and and do the deal and then all of that and do the deal and then all of that and do the deal and then all of that those caches would get shipped to those caches would get shipped to those caches would get shipped to another country where it would and then another country where it would and then another country where it would and then it would be in CIA's hands. And so we it would be in CIA's hands. And so we it would be in CIA's hands. And so we had this we long conversation about this had this we long conversation about this had this we long conversation about this and then all of a sudden he starts and then all of a sudden he starts and then all of a sudden he starts talking about uh Russians talking about uh Russians talking about uh Russians getting nukes into the US and it was

getting nukes into the US and it was getting nukes into the US and it was just so out of left field. It made me just so out of left field. It made me just so out of left field. It made me think, think, think, you know, I just said earlier, you know, you know, I just said earlier, you know, you know, I just said earlier, you know, you you could talk to somebody for two, you you could talk to somebody for two, you you could talk to somebody for two, three, four, five, six, however many three, four, five, six, however many three, four, five, six, however many hours and maybe they just need one thing hours and maybe they just need one thing hours and maybe they just need one thing inserted into the podcast, you know, to inserted into the podcast, you know, to inserted into the podcast, you know, to start a new narrative or to reinforce a start a new narrative or to reinforce a start a new narrative or to reinforce a current narrative. You know, there's a current narrative. You know, there's a current narrative. You know, there's a big back then, still is today, you know, big back then, still is today, you know, big back then, still is today, you know, big narrative. We we all need to we all big narrative. We we all need to we all big narrative. We we all need to we all need to hate Russia. Maybe we do, maybe need to hate Russia. Maybe we do, maybe need to hate Russia. Maybe we do, maybe we don't. I'm not saying either way, but we don't. I'm not saying either way, but we don't. I'm not saying either way, but you know, for us to be talking about the you know, for us to be talking about the you know, for us to be talking about the global war on terror and his time is a global war on terror and his time is a global war on terror and his time is a CIA asset infiltrating terrorist CIA asset infiltrating terrorist CIA asset infiltrating terrorist networks and and and derailing massive networks and and and derailing massive networks and and and derailing massive weapons caches back to uh wherever they weapons caches back to uh wherever they weapons caches back to uh wherever they were going, you know, and then all of a were going, you know, and then all of a were going, you know, and then all of a sudden for him to talk about the sudden for him to talk about the sudden for him to talk about the Russians Russians Russians bringing in nuclear warheads or whatever bringing in nuclear warheads or whatever bringing in nuclear warheads or whatever it was into the US, it was like and I it was into the US, it was like and I it was into the US, it was like and I think I challenged him right on the show think I challenged him right on the show think I challenged him right on the show and I said, "You know, how do I know and I said, "You know, how do I know and I said, "You know, how do I know that you weren't sent here just to put that you weren't sent here just to put that you weren't sent here just to put that one sentence into the show? That that one sentence into the show? That that one sentence into the show? That came out of left field.

came out of left field. came out of left field. That doesn't fit anywhere with any That doesn't fit anywhere with any That doesn't fit anywhere with any conversation that we've been talking conversation that we've been talking conversation that we've been talking about." about." about." >> What did he say? >> What did he say? >> What did he say? >> He was, you know, taken back. I don't >> He was, you know, taken back. I don't >> He was, you know, taken back. I don't remember exactly what he said. You could remember exactly what he said. You could remember exactly what he said. You could probably find the clip somewhere, but probably find the clip somewhere, but probably find the clip somewhere, but that's that's how it happens. That's how that's that's how it happens. That's how that's that's how it happens. That's how it happens. I'm not saying that he is or it happens. I'm not saying that he is or it happens. I'm not saying that he is or isn't one. I'm saying that's what it isn't one. I'm saying that's what it isn't one. I'm saying that's what it looks like when it happens. And your gut looks like when it happens. And your gut looks like when it happens. And your gut sometimes tells you that you're sometimes tells you that you're sometimes tells you that you're interviewing someone who is probably interviewing someone who is probably interviewing someone who is probably still working on behalf of an agency. still working on behalf of an agency. still working on behalf of an agency. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Do you delete a lot of episodes? >> Do you delete a lot of episodes? >> Do you delete a lot of episodes? >> No. I've had I've had episodes that I >> No. I've had I've had episodes that I >> No. I've had I've had episodes that I didn't delete or that I never aired. didn't delete or that I never aired. didn't delete or that I never aired. I've had I don't know, not very many, I've had I don't know, not very many, I've had I don't know, not very many, but I've had a handful. You know but I've had a handful. You know but I've had a handful. You know >> what is the reason typically? >> what is the reason typically? >> what is the reason typically? Well, one time I had a guy come on. This Well, one time I had a guy come on. This Well, one time I had a guy come on. This was about the COVID vaccine. And he was about the COVID vaccine. And he was about the COVID vaccine. And he comes on and and he's talking about how comes on and and he's talking about how comes on and and he's talking about how the COVID vaccine was was developed in a the COVID vaccine was was developed in a the COVID vaccine was was developed in a lab and was patented way before CO even lab and was patented way before CO even lab and was patented way before CO even came out. And it it was very compelling came out. And it it was very compelling came out. And it it was very compelling and I didn't really think about it until and I didn't really think about it until and I didn't really think about it until afterwards. But afterwards when I was afterwards. But afterwards when I was afterwards. But afterwards when I was thinking about the interviews, some of thinking about the interviews, some of thinking about the interviews, some of these interviews I'll think about all these interviews I'll think about all these interviews I'll think about all weekend or you know days to weeks weekend or you know days to weeks weekend or you know days to weeks sometimes after they happen. I mean it sometimes after they happen. I mean it sometimes after they happen. I mean it sounded super compelling and maybe it sounded super compelling and maybe it sounded super compelling and maybe it was real. I don't know. But every time was real. I don't know. But every time was real. I don't know. But every time he would it was co 19 co. But then when he would it was co 19 co. But then when he would it was co 19 co. But then when he would say he wouldn't say the covid he would say he wouldn't say the covid he would say he wouldn't say the covid vaccine was patented prior to vaccine was patented prior to vaccine was patented prior to 2020 he would say the sars vaccine was

2020 he would say the sars vaccine was 2020 he would say the sars vaccine was patented prior to you know so but but patented prior to you know so but but patented prior to you know so but but the narrative was the covid-19 vaccine the narrative was the covid-19 vaccine the narrative was the covid-19 vaccine was was was patented long before co 19 ever even patented long before co 19 ever even patented long before co 19 ever even came out. But like I said, he would came out. But like I said, he would came out. But like I said, he would switch it. He would switch. We would be switch it. He would switch. We would be switch it. He would switch. We would be saying co CO, but then he would say the saying co CO, but then he would say the saying co CO, but then he would say the SARS vaccine. And so he left and I was SARS vaccine. And so he left and I was SARS vaccine. And so he left and I was like, I mean, there's got to be like a like, I mean, there's got to be like a like, I mean, there's got to be like a million different there's there's like million different there's there's like million different there's there's like thousands of variations of SARS and CO. thousands of variations of SARS and CO. thousands of variations of SARS and CO. And so why did he keep switching it? Why And so why did he keep switching it? Why And so why did he keep switching it? Why didn't he just say the COVID 19 vaccine? didn't he just say the COVID 19 vaccine? didn't he just say the COVID 19 vaccine? Why did he switch it to SARS? And so Why did he switch it to SARS? And so Why did he switch it to SARS? And so that that clicked and I was it just made that that clicked and I was it just made that that clicked and I was it just made me think maybe this isn't factual and I me think maybe this isn't factual and I me think maybe this isn't factual and I don't want to you know I've done don't want to you know I've done don't want to you know I've done speculative narrative interviews lots of speculative narrative interviews lots of speculative narrative interviews lots of them but I them but I them but I once again we were talking earlier you once again we were talking earlier you once again we were talking earlier you know we have an audiences of millions know we have an audiences of millions know we have an audiences of millions and millions and millions of people and and millions and millions of people and and millions and millions of people and I don't want to put something out that's I don't want to put something out that's I don't want to put something out that's not factual and then have somebody make not factual and then have somebody make not factual and then have somebody make an important medical decision based on an important medical decision based on an important medical decision based on >> Yeah. based on [ __ ] and I just >> Yeah. based on [ __ ] and I just >> Yeah. based on [ __ ] and I just didn't want to gamble that. So I never I didn't want to gamble that. So I never I didn't want to gamble that. So I never I never released the episode and I'd never released the episode and I'd never released the episode and I'd talked to lots of doctors and you it was talked to lots of doctors and you it was talked to lots of doctors and you it was a it was a charged subject, you know, at a it was a charged subject, you know, at a it was a charged subject, you know, at the time and so I didn't like the vax. I the time and so I didn't like the vax. I the time and so I didn't like the vax. I took it but I regret it but but took it but I regret it but but took it but I regret it but but whatever. You know what I mean? It whatever. You know what I mean? It whatever. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter. I didn't want anybody doesn't matter. I didn't want anybody doesn't matter. I didn't want anybody making that type of a I know that people making that type of a I know that people making that type of a I know that people trust me. I I couldn't live with myself

trust me. I I couldn't live with myself trust me. I I couldn't live with myself if I found out that guy was totally full if I found out that guy was totally full if I found out that guy was totally full of [ __ ] feeding feeding a [ __ ] of [ __ ] feeding feeding a [ __ ] of [ __ ] feeding feeding a [ __ ] narrative for whatever. narrative for whatever. narrative for whatever. >> And then you got people, you know, >> And then you got people, you know, >> And then you got people, you know, either taking it or not taking it based either taking it or not taking it based either taking it or not taking it based off what he said. So I never aired that. off what he said. So I never aired that. off what he said. So I never aired that. You know, I've had another guy You know, I've had another guy You know, I've had another guy I had I was interested in a lot of the I had I was interested in a lot of the I had I was interested in a lot of the stuff going on in the World Economic stuff going on in the World Economic stuff going on in the World Economic Forum and and I had this guy that I Forum and and I had this guy that I Forum and and I had this guy that I thought was an expert on the World thought was an expert on the World thought was an expert on the World Economic Forum come on and he couldn't Economic Forum come on and he couldn't Economic Forum come on and he couldn't even tell me what it was. I was like, even tell me what it was. I was like, even tell me what it was. I was like, "Well, what is it? Is it a business? Is "Well, what is it? Is it a business? Is "Well, what is it? Is it a business? Is it a nonpr What is it?" He couldn't even it a nonpr What is it?" He couldn't even it a nonpr What is it?" He couldn't even tell me. And then he would just start tell me. And then he would just start tell me. And then he would just start talking about all this conspiracy [ __ ] talking about all this conspiracy [ __ ] talking about all this conspiracy [ __ ] and I'm like, "Look, if you can't even and I'm like, "Look, if you can't even and I'm like, "Look, if you can't even tell me what it is, like you really have tell me what it is, like you really have tell me what it is, like you really have no business being here." So, let's just no business being here." So, let's just no business being here." So, let's just end the interview right now. end the interview right now. end the interview right now. >> And recently, I had one where [sighs] >> And recently, I had one where [sighs] >> And recently, I had one where [sighs] this woman on supposedly she worked for this woman on supposedly she worked for this woman on supposedly she worked for the agency. Then when I started talking the agency. Then when I started talking the agency. Then when I started talking about agency stuff, of course, about agency stuff, of course, about agency stuff, of course, everything's classified. So, we hide everything's classified. So, we hide everything's classified. So, we hide behind the classification system. And behind the classification system. And behind the classification system. And the only thing she wanted to talk about the only thing she wanted to talk about the only thing she wanted to talk about was like the polygraph. And I'm like, was like the polygraph. And I'm like, was like the polygraph. And I'm like, for the polygraph? Who gives a [ __ ] for the polygraph? Who gives a [ __ ] for the polygraph? Who gives a [ __ ] about the polygraph? Like, everybody in about the polygraph? Like, everybody in about the polygraph? Like, everybody in there has to take a polygraph. Why are there has to take a polygraph. Why are there has to take a polygraph. Why are we talking about the Is this like we talking about the Is this like we talking about the Is this like something that you researched really something that you researched really something that you researched really hard on what a polygraph's like? So to hard on what a polygraph's like? So to hard on what a polygraph's like? So to make yourself sound legitimate because make yourself sound legitimate because make yourself sound legitimate because you're not talking about anything else you're not talking about anything else you're not talking about anything else >> and you know something that may be >> and you know something that may be >> and you know something that may be classified that they don't want out is classified that they don't want out is classified that they don't want out is how to defeat a polygraph. So and that how to defeat a polygraph. So and that how to defeat a polygraph. So and that was within the past couple months and

was within the past couple months and was within the past couple months and you know we we ended that one pretty you know we we ended that one pretty you know we we ended that one pretty quickly and I think she knew exactly quickly and I think she knew exactly quickly and I think she knew exactly this. So, we'll never release that one. this. So, we'll never release that one. this. So, we'll never release that one. But I don't care. You know what I mean? But I don't care. You know what I mean? But I don't care. You know what I mean? I just I don't want to knowingly put I just I don't want to knowingly put I just I don't want to knowingly put things that are [ __ ] out there. I things that are [ __ ] out there. I things that are [ __ ] out there. I mean, it's going to happen. We're going mean, it's going to happen. We're going mean, it's going to happen. We're going to make mistakes. I've made mistakes. to make mistakes. I've made mistakes. to make mistakes. I've made mistakes. But, you know, knowingly, just for But, you know, knowingly, just for But, you know, knowingly, just for views, views, views, nah, I have no interest in that. nah, I have no interest in that. nah, I have no interest in that. >> It used to be that working for yourself >> It used to be that working for yourself >> It used to be that working for yourself was a massive, massive risk. But that was a massive, massive risk. But that was a massive, massive risk. But that world has completely changed. And world has completely changed. And world has completely changed. And arguably, in some situations, it can be arguably, in some situations, it can be arguably, in some situations, it can be more risky working for someone else. If more risky working for someone else. If more risky working for someone else. If you've got a business idea that you you've got a business idea that you you've got a business idea that you can't stop thinking about, I think you can't stop thinking about, I think you can't stop thinking about, I think you owe it to yourself to at least try and owe it to yourself to at least try and owe it to yourself to at least try and make it happen. And that is where our make it happen. And that is where our make it happen. And that is where our show sponsor Shopify comes in. Their show sponsor Shopify comes in. Their show sponsor Shopify comes in. Their smart platform includes everything you smart platform includes everything you smart platform includes everything you need to start selling and get that idea need to start selling and get that idea need to start selling and get that idea off the ground. They have this drag and off the ground. They have this drag and off the ground. They have this drag and drop editor. They have this AI sidekick drop editor. They have this AI sidekick drop editor. They have this AI sidekick and helps you. They have analytics and and helps you. They have analytics and and helps you. They have analytics and you don't need to be an expert to get you don't need to be an expert to get you don't need to be an expert to get going. Shopify's best-in-class checkout going. Shopify's best-in-class checkout going. Shopify's best-in-class checkout makes sure that you're getting paid from makes sure that you're getting paid from makes sure that you're getting paid from day one. It helps more of your customers day one. It helps more of your customers day one. It helps more of your customers finish their purchase because their finish their purchase because their finish their purchase because their checkout is so efficient, and it saves checkout is so efficient, and it saves checkout is so efficient, and it saves their info for next time. Personalized their info for next time. Personalized their info for next time. Personalized checkouts like that equal more checkouts like that equal more checkouts like that equal more conversion, equal a faster growing conversion, equal a faster growing conversion, equal a faster growing business. Nothing kills that early business. Nothing kills that early business. Nothing kills that early enthusiasm you have for a new idea than enthusiasm you have for a new idea than enthusiasm you have for a new idea than that first initial step to get going that first initial step to get going that first initial step to get going difficult, complicated, or expensive.

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locations nationwide. locations nationwide. And then once you did your stint um And then once you did your stint um And then once you did your stint um through the sort of security era of your through the sort of security era of your through the sort of security era of your life and through the after your CIA life and through the after your CIA life and through the after your CIA contracting role at 34, you moved to contracting role at 34, you moved to contracting role at 34, you moved to Medigene, Colombia and spent two years Medigene, Colombia and spent two years Medigene, Colombia and spent two years with taking out drinking alcohol. Yeah, with taking out drinking alcohol. Yeah, with taking out drinking alcohol. Yeah, I started in Cardahana and uh ultimately I started in Cardahana and uh ultimately I started in Cardahana and uh ultimately just decided I'm going to camp out in just decided I'm going to camp out in just decided I'm going to camp out in Medigene. Medigene. Medigene. >> Did you get involved in the the drug >> Did you get involved in the the drug >> Did you get involved in the the drug dealing networks while you were there? dealing networks while you were there? dealing networks while you were there? >> Yes, I did. >> Yes, I did. >> Yes, I did. >> How do you categorize this season of >> How do you categorize this season of >> How do you categorize this season of your life in Colombia? Because before your life in Colombia? Because before your life in Colombia? Because before then you, you know, you're a SEAL, then you, you know, you're a SEAL, then you, you know, you're a SEAL, you're doing contracting work with the you're doing contracting work with the you're doing contracting work with the CIA, and then it appears that in this CIA, and then it appears that in this CIA, and then it appears that in this season of your life, when I look at it season of your life, when I look at it season of your life, when I look at it from sort of a bird's eye view, that it from sort of a bird's eye view, that it from sort of a bird's eye view, that it represents instability. represents instability. represents instability. I think what it represents is, you know, I think what it represents is, you know, I think what it represents is, you know, just talked about addiction to just talked about addiction to just talked about addiction to adrenaline. Yeah. And I wasn't getting adrenaline. Yeah. And I wasn't getting adrenaline. Yeah. And I wasn't getting that adrenaline anywhere. And, you know, that adrenaline anywhere. And, you know, that adrenaline anywhere. And, you know, I would be in the States and it was I would be in the States and it was I would be in the States and it was boring to me. You know, it was it was it boring to me. You know, it was it was it boring to me. You know, it was it was it was boring going to the bar and that was boring going to the bar and that was boring going to the bar and that life just it had no appeal to me. It was life just it had no appeal to me. It was life just it had no appeal to me. It was boring. And then on top of that, I was boring. And then on top of that, I was boring. And then on top of that, I was tired of listening to everyday average tired of listening to everyday average tired of listening to everyday average Americans talk about the war, give their Americans talk about the war, give their Americans talk about the war, give their opinions on what we should be doing when opinions on what we should be doing when opinions on what we should be doing when none of them have done anything. It just none of them have done anything. It just none of them have done anything. It just didn't sit well with me. So that's why, didn't sit well with me. So that's why, didn't sit well with me. So that's why, you know, when I said I went down to I I you know, when I said I went down to I I you know, when I said I went down to I I didn't want to hear English. I didn't didn't want to hear English. I didn't didn't want to hear English. I didn't want to hear people asking me for my want to hear people asking me for my want to hear people asking me for my opinions. I didn't want to hear their

opinions. I didn't want to hear their opinions. I didn't want to hear their opinions. I don't think their opinions opinions. I don't think their opinions opinions. I don't think their opinions mattered. I didn't think that at the mattered. I didn't think that at the mattered. I didn't think that at the time anyways. And so I went down there time anyways. And so I went down there time anyways. And so I went down there and it became like a game to me. It and it became like a game to me. It and it became like a game to me. It wasn't the dealing. I never really wasn't the dealing. I never really wasn't the dealing. I never really dealed uh dealt. It was more setting up dealed uh dealt. It was more setting up dealed uh dealt. It was more setting up the network that gave me the rush and the network that gave me the rush and the network that gave me the rush and infiltrating networks and figuring out infiltrating networks and figuring out infiltrating networks and figuring out who the players are and all that and who the players are and all that and who the players are and all that and being able to insert myself into the being able to insert myself into the being able to insert myself into the middle of all of that. You know, in middle of all of that. You know, in middle of all of that. You know, in retrospect, it it was probably the most retrospect, it it was probably the most retrospect, it it was probably the most dangerous thing I'd ever done. Uh I dangerous thing I'd ever done. Uh I dangerous thing I'd ever done. Uh I didn't care. you know, I just I I didn't didn't care. you know, I just I I didn't didn't care. you know, I just I I didn't really have any value for my own life. I really have any value for my own life. I really have any value for my own life. I wouldn't say I was suicidal at the time, wouldn't say I was suicidal at the time, wouldn't say I was suicidal at the time, but I just I was in it for for the but I just I was in it for for the but I just I was in it for for the thrill. And to me, there was nothing thrill. And to me, there was nothing thrill. And to me, there was nothing else that was going to give me a thrill, else that was going to give me a thrill, else that was going to give me a thrill, a bigger thrill than that. And I figured a bigger thrill than that. And I figured a bigger thrill than that. And I figured if if this gets boring, then I'll if if this gets boring, then I'll if if this gets boring, then I'll probably just die down here. probably just die down here. probably just die down here. >> I'll probably just die down here. >> I'll probably just die down here. >> I'll probably just die down here. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, it sounds like you came pretty I mean, it sounds like you came pretty I mean, it sounds like you came pretty close to getting in significant trouble. close to getting in significant trouble. close to getting in significant trouble. At one point, your apartment was bugged At one point, your apartment was bugged At one point, your apartment was bugged by the police. by the police. by the police. >> Yep. Yep. I uh >> Yep. Yep. I uh >> Yep. Yep. I uh I had come home and I was probably I did I had come home and I was probably I did I had come home and I was probably I did I did a lot of a lot of drugs down I did a lot of a lot of drugs down I did a lot of a lot of drugs down there, a lot of cocaine. And I don't there, a lot of cocaine. And I don't there, a lot of cocaine. And I don't know, I was on three, four, maybe a five know, I was on three, four, maybe a five know, I was on three, four, maybe a five day bender. day bender. day bender. And there was this bridge down there And there was this bridge down there And there was this bridge down there that was called in in this area called that was called in in this area called that was called in in this area called Bario Antio. I don't know what it's like Bario Antio. I don't know what it's like Bario Antio. I don't know what it's like now, but back then you couldn't you now, but back then you couldn't you now, but back then you couldn't you couldn't get in there. You couldn't get couldn't get in there. You couldn't get couldn't get in there. You couldn't get a taxi to drive you in there. You a taxi to drive you in there. You a taxi to drive you in there. You couldn't get in there without going couldn't get in there without going couldn't get in there without going through several police checkpoints. through several police checkpoints. through several police checkpoints. Um, but that's where the cheapest and Um, but that's where the cheapest and Um, but that's where the cheapest and best coke was and that's where all the best coke was and that's where all the best coke was and that's where all the the players are. It's all it's all the players are. It's all it's all the players are. It's all it's all coming out of that specific coming out of that specific coming out of that specific neighborhood. And I used to go in there neighborhood. And I used to go in there neighborhood. And I used to go in there for a thrill and and for a thrill and and for a thrill and and like go up the chain, go up the dealer like go up the chain, go up the dealer like go up the chain, go up the dealer chain, find whose boss is whose boss is chain, find whose boss is whose boss is chain, find whose boss is whose boss is whose boss. Anyways, I went down there whose boss. Anyways, I went down there whose boss. Anyways, I went down there uh with a bunch of girls and uh we went uh with a bunch of girls and uh we went uh with a bunch of girls and uh we went to this bridge called the Poente de los to this bridge called the Poente de los to this bridge called the Poente de los Locos and it was all these Locos and it was all these Locos and it was all these [clears throat] it was like a homeless [clears throat] it was like a homeless [clears throat] it was like a homeless camp and camp and camp and of just of just of just insane people and I went down there with insane people and I went down there with insane people and I went down there with a huge stack of cash a huge stack of cash a huge stack of cash and just threw the money up in the air

and just threw the money up in the air and just threw the money up in the air cuz I wanted to see what would happen. cuz I wanted to see what would happen. cuz I wanted to see what would happen. Of course, they all got up and it was Of course, they all got up and it was Of course, they all got up and it was like a mad dash like a mad dash like a mad dash and we almost didn't get out of there uh and we almost didn't get out of there uh and we almost didn't get out of there uh cuz they had surrounded and there was cuz they had surrounded and there was cuz they had surrounded and there was hundreds of people. And so we we we hundreds of people. And so we we we hundreds of people. And so we we we wound up getting out of there and in a wound up getting out of there and in a wound up getting out of there and in a car and we got back to my building where car and we got back to my building where car and we got back to my building where I was staying at my penthouse. I was staying at my penthouse. I was staying at my penthouse. And one thing I always did was I always And one thing I always did was I always And one thing I always did was I always took care of the door man at the took care of the door man at the took care of the door man at the building. you know, all the security building. you know, all the security building. you know, all the security guys that the the door man, they control guys that the the door man, they control guys that the the door man, they control who comes in and out, they can inform who comes in and out, they can inform who comes in and out, they can inform you if people are hanging around that, you if people are hanging around that, you if people are hanging around that, you know, maybe shouldn't be, people are you know, maybe shouldn't be, people are you know, maybe shouldn't be, people are looking for me. And so I built that was looking for me. And so I built that was looking for me. And so I built that was part of my network, you know, was taking part of my network, you know, was taking part of my network, you know, was taking care of them. And so I anything I got, care of them. And so I anything I got, care of them. And so I anything I got, if I got Coke, they got Coke. If I got if I got Coke, they got Coke. If I got if I got Coke, they got Coke. If I got booze, they got booze. If I went clothes booze, they got booze. If I went clothes booze, they got booze. If I went clothes shopping, they got clothes. If I got shopping, they got clothes. If I got shopping, they got clothes. If I got groceries, they got groceries. They groceries, they got groceries. They groceries, they got groceries. They always got tipped. They, you know, when always got tipped. They, you know, when always got tipped. They, you know, when I was leaving, I would give them a bunch I was leaving, I would give them a bunch I was leaving, I would give them a bunch of my clothes. like I just always took of my clothes. like I just always took of my clothes. like I just always took care of those guys. And I came back and care of those guys. And I came back and care of those guys. And I came back and uh this guy, his name was Freddy, and he uh this guy, his name was Freddy, and he uh this guy, his name was Freddy, and he said that uh the police were after me.

said that uh the police were after me. said that uh the police were after me. One thing being a foreigner in Colombia, One thing being a foreigner in Colombia, One thing being a foreigner in Colombia, it's almost like a sin for them not to it's almost like a sin for them not to it's almost like a sin for them not to try to take advantage of you. And I had try to take advantage of you. And I had try to take advantage of you. And I had built a lot of trust with with Freddy. built a lot of trust with with Freddy. built a lot of trust with with Freddy. He was my favorite uh guy. He was my favorite uh guy. He was my favorite uh guy. And I was pissed. And I started yelling And I was pissed. And I started yelling And I was pissed. And I started yelling at him like, "Man, I I give you like all at him like, "Man, I I give you like all at him like, "Man, I I give you like all kinds of stuff. Like, why would you lie kinds of stuff. Like, why would you lie kinds of stuff. Like, why would you lie to me to try to get more out of me? I I to me to try to get more out of me? I I to me to try to get more out of me? I I I always take care of you." And he said, I always take care of you." And he said, I always take care of you." And he said, "I'm not doing that." He said, "They "I'm not doing that." He said, "They "I'm not doing that." He said, "They came by and they wanted uh they wanted came by and they wanted uh they wanted came by and they wanted uh they wanted copies of your passport. They wanted to copies of your passport. They wanted to copies of your passport. They wanted to know where you came from, who you are, know where you came from, who you are, know where you came from, who you are, who you work with, all these things." who you work with, all these things." who you work with, all these things." And I was I just thought he was full of And I was I just thought he was full of And I was I just thought he was full of [ __ ] And he said, "Look," he said, [ __ ] And he said, "Look," he said, [ __ ] And he said, "Look," he said, [clears throat] "they told me that they [clears throat] "they told me that they [clears throat] "they told me that they have pictures of you throwing money up have pictures of you throwing money up have pictures of you throwing money up at a bridge in Bario, Antioquia, at a bridge in Bario, Antioquia, at a bridge in Bario, Antioquia, and that was we had just come from and that was we had just come from and that was we had just come from there." And so I was like, "Oh [ __ ] he there." And so I was like, "Oh [ __ ] he there." And so I was like, "Oh [ __ ] he is not lying." [sighs] is not lying." [sighs] is not lying." [sighs] And what he was telling me was that And what he was telling me was that And what he was telling me was that they had they had they had supposedly planted a bug in the light supposedly planted a bug in the light supposedly planted a bug in the light fixture outside of my door and that they fixture outside of my door and that they fixture outside of my door and that they had set up a observation point in a had set up a observation point in a had set up a observation point in a building across from me. And so I went building across from me. And so I went building across from me. And so I went up and scrubbed myself of everything. uh up and scrubbed myself of everything. uh up and scrubbed myself of everything. uh kind of scanned around to see if I could kind of scanned around to see if I could kind of scanned around to see if I could pick up, you know, who was who was pick up, you know, who was who was pick up, you know, who was who was looking at me, who was watching. I'm looking at me, who was watching. I'm looking at me, who was watching. I'm pretty sure I saw it and got rid of

pretty sure I saw it and got rid of pretty sure I saw it and got rid of everything. Got rid of all the coke. Got everything. Got rid of all the coke. Got everything. Got rid of all the coke. Got rid of everything. And then uh I did a rid of everything. And then uh I did a rid of everything. And then uh I did a SDR to a couple of different internet SDR to a couple of different internet SDR to a couple of different internet cafes. cafes. cafes. >> An SDR. >> An SDR. >> An SDR. >> An SDR. That's a surveillance detection >> An SDR. That's a surveillance detection >> An SDR. That's a surveillance detection route. route. route. >> Okay. and uh it's it's it's it's a route >> Okay. and uh it's it's it's it's a route >> Okay. and uh it's it's it's it's a route that you develop to to figure out if that you develop to to figure out if that you develop to to figure out if you're being followed or not. So, I did you're being followed or not. So, I did you're being followed or not. So, I did that. Didn't pick anything up. [sighs] that. Didn't pick anything up. [sighs] that. Didn't pick anything up. [sighs] Bought a couple of different tickets to Bought a couple of different tickets to Bought a couple of different tickets to different places and um was out of there different places and um was out of there different places and um was out of there within 12 hours, never to go back. within 12 hours, never to go back. within 12 hours, never to go back. >> And when you got back to the United >> And when you got back to the United >> And when you got back to the United States, presumably, had you changed? Was States, presumably, had you changed? Was States, presumably, had you changed? Was that was that enough of a close call for that was that enough of a close call for that was that enough of a close call for you to give up the the cocaine and the you to give up the the cocaine and the you to give up the the cocaine and the habits that you had at the time? habits that you had at the time? habits that you had at the time? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> I tried I I had cleaned it up a lot. I >> I tried I I had cleaned it up a lot. I >> I tried I I had cleaned it up a lot. I had cleaned it up a lot, but I went I had cleaned it up a lot, but I went I had cleaned it up a lot, but I went I started getting bored and so I did a started getting bored and so I did a started getting bored and so I did a couple of trips uh a trip or two maybe couple of trips uh a trip or two maybe couple of trips uh a trip or two maybe to Panama. Panama was a lot tamer than to Panama. Panama was a lot tamer than to Panama. Panama was a lot tamer than Colombia, but it's just as easy to get Colombia, but it's just as easy to get Colombia, but it's just as easy to get in the middle of it. And then I did one in the middle of it. And then I did one in the middle of it. And then I did one to Costa Rica. And then I I can't to Costa Rica. And then I I can't to Costa Rica. And then I I can't remember exactly how many. I had gone a remember exactly how many. I had gone a remember exactly how many. I had gone a lot of different places. I went to lot of different places. I went to lot of different places. I went to Honduras. I went to San Pedro Sula Honduras. I went to San Pedro Sula Honduras. I went to San Pedro Sula because it was uh it was literally the because it was uh it was literally the because it was uh it was literally the do most dangerous place on the planet at do most dangerous place on the planet at do most dangerous place on the planet at the time. So I wanted to go there and the time. So I wanted to go there and the time. So I wanted to go there and feed my adrenaline. I had toned it down feed my adrenaline. I had toned it down feed my adrenaline. I had toned it down a lot, but um but I didn't clean it up 100%.

but I didn't clean it up 100%. What was the turning point for you in What was the turning point for you in What was the turning point for you in that season of your life? that season of your life? that season of your life? >> There were a lot of turning points. One >> There were a lot of turning points. One >> There were a lot of turning points. One turning point that made me clean it up turning point that made me clean it up turning point that made me clean it up quite a bit was uh my best friend quite a bit was uh my best friend quite a bit was uh my best friend uh was was leaving contracting and and uh was was leaving contracting and and uh was was leaving contracting and and he had a horrible addiction to opiates. he had a horrible addiction to opiates. he had a horrible addiction to opiates. And so he became my purpose. He became And so he became my purpose. He became And so he became my purpose. He became my purpose. I wanted to help clean him my purpose. I wanted to help clean him my purpose. I wanted to help clean him up. And so in order to clean him up, I up. And so in order to clean him up, I up. And so in order to clean him up, I had to clean myself up. had to clean myself up. had to clean myself up. And um And um And um I think we made a lot of headway. I think we made a lot of headway. I think we made a lot of headway. Ultimately he did uh succumb to his Ultimately he did uh succumb to his Ultimately he did uh succumb to his addiction uh years later. But that was a addiction uh years later. But that was a addiction uh years later. But that was a turning point. And in in the middle of turning point. And in in the middle of turning point. And in in the middle of that journey, I met this uh I had that journey, I met this uh I had that journey, I met this uh I had started my therapy myself. started my therapy myself. started my therapy myself. >> What was the catalyst for you to go to >> What was the catalyst for you to go to >> What was the catalyst for you to go to therapy? I just knew I I just knew I I needed something and I had to I needed something and I had to I needed something and I had to set an example for my friend like I'm set an example for my friend like I'm set an example for my friend like I'm doing it so you should do it too.

doing it so you should do it too. doing it so you should do it too. >> There was this call on Mother's Day as >> There was this call on Mother's Day as >> There was this call on Mother's Day as well which I've heard you talk about. well which I've heard you talk about. well which I've heard you talk about. >> That was in Colombia. >> That was in Colombia. >> That was in Colombia. >> That was it while you were in Colia. >> That was it while you were in Colia. >> That was it while you were in Colia. >> That was while I was in Colombia. >> That was while I was in Colombia. >> That was while I was in Colombia. >> What was that phone call? >> What was that phone call? >> What was that phone call? >> That was a >> That was a >> That was a I always thought I was oding down there. I always thought I was oding down there. I always thought I was oding down there. like my ankles would swell up, you know, like my ankles would swell up, you know, like my ankles would swell up, you know, from lack of blood circulation from lack of blood circulation from lack of blood circulation and that would freak me out and lots of, and that would freak me out and lots of, and that would freak me out and lots of, you know, things. And and I remember my you know, things. And and I remember my you know, things. And and I remember my friend told me early on, he said, "You friend told me early on, he said, "You friend told me early on, he said, "You don't you don't have to worry about don't you don't have to worry about don't you don't have to worry about Odian on Coke until Odian on Coke until Odian on Coke until things start to slow down. If you're on things start to slow down. If you're on things start to slow down. If you're on speed speed speed and then everything seems slow, that's and then everything seems slow, that's and then everything seems slow, that's when you're riding the edge. And so that when you're riding the edge. And so that when you're riding the edge. And so that started happening. I realized it was started happening. I realized it was started happening. I realized it was Mother's Day once and I I called my my Mother's Day once and I I called my my Mother's Day once and I I called my my mom in the middle of that cuz I thought mom in the middle of that cuz I thought mom in the middle of that cuz I thought it was going to be my last day alive. it was going to be my last day alive. it was going to be my last day alive. And um And um And um so that's yeah, that's so that's yeah, that's so that's yeah, that's that that was a realization point.

that that was a realization point. that that was a realization point. >> And then you found this therapist. And >> And then you found this therapist. And >> And then you found this therapist. And then I found this therapist. then I found this therapist. then I found this therapist. >> Was that a challenge to go to a >> Was that a challenge to go to a >> Was that a challenge to go to a therapist? You know, there's there's a therapist? You know, there's there's a therapist? You know, there's there's a lot of stigma associated to with going lot of stigma associated to with going lot of stigma associated to with going to therapy, especially at that time. to therapy, especially at that time. to therapy, especially at that time. >> Yeah, I mean, it was definitely a blow >> Yeah, I mean, it was definitely a blow >> Yeah, I mean, it was definitely a blow to my ego, but at the same time, you to my ego, but at the same time, you to my ego, but at the same time, you know, I didn't really have any friends. know, I didn't really have any friends. know, I didn't really have any friends. Most of my friends were still Most of my friends were still Most of my friends were still operational at the time, and I didn't operational at the time, and I didn't operational at the time, and I didn't have any friends where I lived in have any friends where I lived in have any friends where I lived in Florida. And so, nobody really knew me, Florida. And so, nobody really knew me, Florida. And so, nobody really knew me, and I didn't have anything else to do. I and I didn't have anything else to do. I and I didn't have anything else to do. I was like, "What the hell?" You know, I was like, "What the hell?" You know, I was like, "What the hell?" You know, I might as well try this. And it did help. might as well try this. And it did help. might as well try this. And it did help. It helped a lot. It helped a lot. It helped a lot. How did it help? How did it help? How did it help? >> You know, I think it's amazing how many of your own it's amazing how many of your own problems you'll work out yourself in problems you'll work out yourself in problems you'll work out yourself in your head just by telling somebody who your head just by telling somebody who your head just by telling somebody who has a, you know, seemingly unbiased has a, you know, seemingly unbiased has a, you know, seemingly unbiased opinion, you know, just with a couple of opinion, you know, just with a couple of opinion, you know, just with a couple of a couple of questions. Kind of like how a couple of questions. Kind of like how a couple of questions. Kind of like how both you and I interview. you don't say both you and I interview. you don't say both you and I interview. you don't say much and people just spill it. Yeah. much and people just spill it. Yeah. much and people just spill it. Yeah. >> And that you can see them working things >> And that you can see them working things >> And that you can see them working things out in their head as they go along.

out in their head as they go along. out in their head as they go along. >> For me, that's what therapy was. And >> For me, that's what therapy was. And >> For me, that's what therapy was. And it's also it's also it's also somebody that can hold you accountable, somebody that can hold you accountable, somebody that can hold you accountable, you know, for for different things. And you know, for for different things. And you know, for for different things. And around that time, you did I began around that time, you did I began around that time, you did I began treatment, which I'm somewhat familiar treatment, which I'm somewhat familiar treatment, which I'm somewhat familiar with just after that time because I with just after that time because I with just after that time because I worked in psychedelics for a couple of worked in psychedelics for a couple of worked in psychedelics for a couple of years. Well, a year while years. Well, a year while years. Well, a year while >> you worked with psychedelics. >> you worked with psychedelics. >> you worked with psychedelics. >> I worked in psychedelics in the >> I worked in psychedelics in the >> I worked in psychedelics in the industry. Um, okay. And I just when I industry. Um, okay. And I just when I industry. Um, okay. And I just when I was between leaving my first company and was between leaving my first company and was between leaving my first company and really starting this podcast, I did a really starting this podcast, I did a really starting this podcast, I did a year in working in a psychedelics year in working in a psychedelics year in working in a psychedelics business. business. business. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> That was focused on mental health. So >> That was focused on mental health. So >> That was focused on mental health. So Ibegan was one of the uh therapies that Ibegan was one of the uh therapies that Ibegan was one of the uh therapies that I came across and studied and saw the I came across and studied and saw the I came across and studied and saw the huge efficacy around addiction. But I've huge efficacy around addiction. But I've huge efficacy around addiction. But I've actually never met anybody that did IEN. actually never met anybody that did IEN. actually never met anybody that did IEN. But I remember at the time when I was But I remember at the time when I was But I remember at the time when I was working in psychedelics, they they told working in psychedelics, they they told working in psychedelics, they they told me that there was this thing called me that there was this thing called me that there was this thing called Iberane you could take. It was quite a Iberane you could take. It was quite a Iberane you could take. It was quite a intense treatment, quite a long intense treatment, quite a long intense treatment, quite a long treatment. But there are several cases treatment. But there are several cases treatment. But there are several cases where people do one dose of ibeane in a where people do one dose of ibeane in a where people do one dose of ibeane in a therapeutic setting and their addiction therapeutic setting and their addiction therapeutic setting and their addiction is cured. That's what I was told and I is cured. That's what I was told and I is cured. That's what I was told and I was like this is crazy.

was like this is crazy. was like this is crazy. And you you you did I gain right? And you you you did I gain right? And you you you did I gain right? >> I did I gain done twice now. >> I did I gain done twice now. >> I did I gain done twice now. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> And yeah the first time was amazing. I >> And yeah the first time was amazing. I >> And yeah the first time was amazing. I went down there actually that was went down there actually that was went down there actually that was actually after I'd started the podcast. actually after I'd started the podcast. actually after I'd started the podcast. I have a feeling we're very similar. you I have a feeling we're very similar. you I have a feeling we're very similar. you probably wrap your entire life up into probably wrap your entire life up into probably wrap your entire life up into what you're doing. And we were having I what you're doing. And we were having I what you're doing. And we were having I had a a six-month-old at the time, my had a a six-month-old at the time, my had a a six-month-old at the time, my son. And I wasn't present with him son. And I wasn't present with him son. And I wasn't present with him because my mind was always in business. because my mind was always in business. because my mind was always in business. It's just all I thought about was It's just all I thought about was It's just all I thought about was business, business, business, the business, business, business, the business, business, business, the podcast, business. I needed something to podcast, business. I needed something to podcast, business. I needed something to just to slow my mind, you know, so that just to slow my mind, you know, so that just to slow my mind, you know, so that I could be in the moment and actually be I could be in the moment and actually be I could be in the moment and actually be present with my with my wife and with my present with my with my wife and with my present with my with my wife and with my son. You know, at the time I had kicked son. You know, at the time I had kicked son. You know, at the time I had kicked I kicked a lot of things. I wasn't I kicked a lot of things. I wasn't I kicked a lot of things. I wasn't drinking hard alcohol anymore. I I was I drinking hard alcohol anymore. I I was I drinking hard alcohol anymore. I I was I mean, I was still on there was no coke mean, I was still on there was no coke mean, I was still on there was no coke for a long time before that, but there for a long time before that, but there for a long time before that, but there was still some pharmaceutical meds that was still some pharmaceutical meds that was still some pharmaceutical meds that I would um dabble in sleeping meds, but I would um dabble in sleeping meds, but I would um dabble in sleeping meds, but I went down there to be in the moment.

I went down there to be in the moment. I went down there to be in the moment. That was it. like like help me That was it. like like help me That was it. like like help me compartmentalize or manage business compartmentalize or manage business compartmentalize or manage business stress because so many opportunities are stress because so many opportunities are stress because so many opportunities are coming and if you you know the deal you coming and if you you know the deal you coming and if you you know the deal you feel it's like do I need to do all these feel it's like do I need to do all these feel it's like do I need to do all these opportunities are these all opportunities are these all opportunities are these all opportunities all good for whatever am I opportunities all good for whatever am I opportunities all good for whatever am I a fool if I turn this down and I went a fool if I turn this down and I went a fool if I turn this down and I went down there for that and when I came out down there for that and when I came out down there for that and when I came out of it had no interest in drinking again of it had no interest in drinking again of it had no interest in drinking again I quit all the sleep medications I had I quit all the sleep medications I had I quit all the sleep medications I had quit the aderall and it was effortless quit the aderall and it was effortless quit the aderall and it was effortless >> it was effortless and I was able to be >> it was effortless and I was able to be >> it was effortless and I was able to be present uh with my wife and son. present uh with my wife and son. present uh with my wife and son. >> And where do you find yourself today as >> And where do you find yourself today as >> And where do you find yourself today as it relates to alcohol, the substances it relates to alcohol, the substances it relates to alcohol, the substances we've talked about, and your mental we've talked about, and your mental we've talked about, and your mental health? health? health? >> I've never been better. You know, I >> I've never been better. You know, I >> I've never been better. You know, I haven't had a drop in over 4 years. I haven't had a drop in over 4 years. I haven't had a drop in over 4 years. I don't take sleeping medications. I don't don't take sleeping medications. I don't don't take sleeping medications. I don't take Adderall. I don't I have I actually take Adderall. I don't I have I actually take Adderall. I don't I have I actually have no vices. have no vices. have no vices. None. And then I went to do it again and None. And then I went to do it again and None. And then I went to do it again and uh the next one didn't didn't work out uh the next one didn't didn't work out uh the next one didn't didn't work out so well for me.

so well for me. so well for me. >> The next I gain journey. >> The next I gain journey. >> The next I gain journey. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Was this recently? >> Was this recently? >> Was this recently? >> This was about I guess about 3 months >> This was about I guess about 3 months >> This was about I guess about 3 months ago now. ago now. ago now. >> And this is the one where I saw on your >> And this is the one where I saw on your >> And this is the one where I saw on your show you said you you think you visited show you said you you think you visited show you said you you think you visited hell. hell. hell. >> Yeah. Yes, that would be the one. So, >> Yeah. Yes, that would be the one. So, >> Yeah. Yes, that would be the one. So, for anyone that doesn't know what for anyone that doesn't know what for anyone that doesn't know what Iberane is and what the journey is like, Iberane is and what the journey is like, Iberane is and what the journey is like, is it a drink that you take and then is it a drink that you take and then is it a drink that you take and then it's sort of like a 12-hour? it's sort of like a 12-hour? it's sort of like a 12-hour? >> For me, it was a pill. >> For me, it was a pill. >> For me, it was a pill. >> It was a pill. >> It was a pill. >> It was a pill. >> It's from a group in I think Gabone, >> It's from a group in I think Gabone, >> It's from a group in I think Gabone, Africa. Africa. Africa. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. They they they say it's the most >> Yeah. They they they say it's the most >> Yeah. They they they say it's the most powerful psychedelic you can do. powerful psychedelic you can do. powerful psychedelic you can do. >> And I believe it that and and and then >> And I believe it that and and and then >> And I believe it that and and and then uh at this particular place, you do 5 uh at this particular place, you do 5 uh at this particular place, you do 5 MAO DMT a day after uh your I gain MAO DMT a day after uh your I gain MAO DMT a day after uh your I gain journey. And it's some extremely journey. And it's some extremely journey. And it's some extremely powerful stuff. powerful stuff. powerful stuff. >> Has it changed you >> Has it changed you >> Has it changed you >> that second? >> that second? >> that second? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. It's changed a lot of things. It's changed a lot of things. It's changed a lot of things. >> I saw you had uh Dr. Huber been on. >> I saw you had uh Dr. Huber been on. >> I saw you had uh Dr. Huber been on. Yeah. You know, the other day he was Yeah. You know, the other day he was Yeah. You know, the other day he was talking about his faith and all that talking about his faith and all that talking about his faith and all that stuff and and I'm on my faith journey as stuff and and I'm on my faith journey as stuff and and I'm on my faith journey as well. And but you know, one thing is well. And but you know, one thing is well. And but you know, one thing is when it comes to psychedelics when it comes to psychedelics when it comes to psychedelics is I've done Ibis Gain twice. I've done is I've done Ibis Gain twice. I've done is I've done Ibis Gain twice. I've done psilocybin a handful of times. I've done psilocybin a handful of times. I've done psilocybin a handful of times. I've done 5 MO a handful of times. And I got so 5 MO a handful of times. And I got so 5 MO a handful of times. And I got so much out of the first one and I had a much out of the first one and I had a much out of the first one and I had a very healthy respect. You know, I really very healthy respect. You know, I really very healthy respect. You know, I really prepare for them. And then I forced prepare for them. And then I forced prepare for them. And then I forced myself to kind of get looser with it. uh myself to kind of get looser with it. uh myself to kind of get looser with it. uh because I I saw all these other people

because I I saw all these other people because I I saw all these other people doing it and and I would get these doing it and and I would get these doing it and and I would get these answers to things, you know, really answers to things, you know, really answers to things, you know, really tough business decisions or or something tough business decisions or or something tough business decisions or or something that, you know, might seem really uh that, you know, might seem really uh that, you know, might seem really uh beneficial to you, but you don't beneficial to you, but you don't beneficial to you, but you don't understand why it's happening or you understand why it's happening or you understand why it's happening or you think there you think there might be think there you think there might be think there you think there might be something else behind it. You know, I something else behind it. You know, I something else behind it. You know, I would do maybe a psilocybin journey and would do maybe a psilocybin journey and would do maybe a psilocybin journey and think on that and and it would be like think on that and and it would be like think on that and and it would be like everything became clear like all of it. everything became clear like all of it. everything became clear like all of it. You could see what the motivations are You could see what the motivations are You could see what the motivations are behind the person that wants to do behind the person that wants to do behind the person that wants to do business with you. You could see the business with you. You could see the business with you. You could see the thing over here that's going to happen thing over here that's going to happen thing over here that's going to happen if you if you take that that step and if you if you take that that step and if you if you take that that step and and commit or maybe you see what happens and commit or maybe you see what happens and commit or maybe you see what happens if you don't. It would be like problem if you don't. It would be like problem if you don't. It would be like problem solved, you know, and this has happened solved, you know, and this has happened solved, you know, and this has happened multiple times and not just with multiple times and not just with multiple times and not just with business, with family, with business, with family, with business, with family, with relationships, with with friends. You relationships, with with friends. You relationships, with with friends. You would be able to piece together uh these would be able to piece together uh these would be able to piece together uh these super complex problems and and and and super complex problems and and and and super complex problems and and and and it would make sense and I believe it was it would make sense and I believe it was it would make sense and I believe it was real. But also at the same time, I real. But also at the same time, I real. But also at the same time, I believe that, and I always have, I believe that, and I always have, I believe that, and I always have, I believe that you are believe that you are believe that you are potentially potentially potentially [sighs] [sighs] [sighs] opening yourself up to a spiritual realm opening yourself up to a spiritual realm opening yourself up to a spiritual realm that maybe [clears throat] that maybe [clears throat] that maybe [clears throat] we should not have access to. And that's we should not have access to. And that's we should not have access to. And that's something that I always took very something that I always took very something that I always took very seriously. Even when I did loosen up, I seriously. Even when I did loosen up, I seriously. Even when I did loosen up, I would always pray before it. And as my would always pray before it. And as my would always pray before it. And as my journey through Christianity became journey through Christianity became journey through Christianity became stronger and stronger, I would take it

stronger and stronger, I would take it stronger and stronger, I would take it more and more seriously. you know, the more and more seriously. you know, the more and more seriously. you know, the praying before and during praying before and during praying before and during [snorts and sighs] [snorts and sighs] [snorts and sighs] and and and which led up to this last one, which which led up to this last one, which which led up to this last one, which was, "Yeah, I thought I think I saw was, "Yeah, I thought I think I saw was, "Yeah, I thought I think I saw hell. I know I did." hell. I know I did." hell. I know I did." >> You know, you saw hell. >> You know, you saw hell. >> You know, you saw hell. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Give me some context on how how one >> Give me some context on how how one >> Give me some context on how how one would know that was hell and and if you would know that was hell and and if you would know that was hell and and if you can at all. I know it's difficult to can at all. I know it's difficult to can at all. I know it's difficult to sort of say these things in human words, sort of say these things in human words, sort of say these things in human words, but like what was it? but like what was it? but like what was it? >> It was total >> It was total >> It was total emptiness. emptiness. emptiness. When I say I saw, I didn't see fire. I When I say I saw, I didn't see fire. I When I say I saw, I didn't see fire. I didn't see any of that. And and where I didn't see any of that. And and where I didn't see any of that. And and where I really felt it was in the five MAO really felt it was in the five MAO really felt it was in the five MAO experience. And there was nothing. It experience. And there was nothing. It experience. And there was nothing. It was the most amount of fear that I had ever the most amount of fear that I had ever felt in my life. It was the most amount felt in my life. It was the most amount felt in my life. It was the most amount of anxiety I'd ever felt in my life. of anxiety I'd ever felt in my life. of anxiety I'd ever felt in my life. There was no God. There was no Christ. There was no God. There was no Christ. There was no God. There was no Christ. There was [sighs and gasps] and it felt like eternity and this went and it felt like eternity and this went on for an hour and a halfish.

on for an hour and a halfish. on for an hour and a halfish. It felt like I was going through the It felt like I was going through the It felt like I was going through the most intense exorcism you could ever most intense exorcism you could ever most intense exorcism you could ever imagine. That's what it felt like. And imagine. That's what it felt like. And imagine. That's what it felt like. And [sighs] it felt like things were trying to maybe it felt like things were trying to maybe leave. Maybe not trying, maybe I was leave. Maybe not trying, maybe I was leave. Maybe not trying, maybe I was trying to get these things out and they trying to get these things out and they trying to get these things out and they wouldn't leave. But it felt like wouldn't leave. But it felt like wouldn't leave. But it felt like abandonment. It it it it's it's the most abandonment. It it it it's it's the most abandonment. It it it it's it's the most horrific feeling you could ever even horrific feeling you could ever even horrific feeling you could ever even imagine. And it was more real than imagine. And it was more real than imagine. And it was more real than anything I've experienced in in in real anything I've experienced in in in real anything I've experienced in in in real life. life. life. >> What could you see >> What could you see >> What could you see >> in this specific experience? I couldn't >> in this specific experience? I couldn't >> in this specific experience? I couldn't see anything. see anything. see anything. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I mean, my body was contorted. It was >> I mean, my body was contorted. It was >> I mean, my body was contorted. It was doing things that the human body doing things that the human body doing things that the human body shouldn't do. There was a a friend of shouldn't do. There was a a friend of shouldn't do. There was a a friend of mine with me. Told him I didn't want him mine with me. Told him I didn't want him mine with me. Told him I didn't want him to come down when I did it. And uh I to come down when I did it. And uh I to come down when I did it. And uh I talked I didn't want to talk to anybody talked I didn't want to talk to anybody talked I didn't want to talk to anybody for weeks after this except my wife, a for weeks after this except my wife, a for weeks after this except my wife, a guy that um is a spiritual mentor of guy that um is a spiritual mentor of guy that um is a spiritual mentor of mine and some priests.

mine and some priests. mine and some priests. And uh but I I so I called him several And uh but I I so I called him several And uh but I I so I called him several weeks. He kept checking on me and he weeks. He kept checking on me and he weeks. He kept checking on me and he said, "Man," he goes, "I know you told said, "Man," he goes, "I know you told said, "Man," he goes, "I know you told me not to go down there, but he goes, me not to go down there, but he goes, me not to go down there, but he goes, "When I heard uh you down there," "When I heard uh you down there," "When I heard uh you down there," he he said, "I didn't know if you were he he said, "I didn't know if you were he he said, "I didn't know if you were hurting people. I didn't know what I hurting people. I didn't know what I hurting people. I didn't know what I didn't." He's like, "I had I just felt didn't." He's like, "I had I just felt didn't." He's like, "I had I just felt like I had to check." And he goes, "I like I had to check." And he goes, "I like I had to check." And he goes, "I peered around the the the stairwell." peered around the the the stairwell." peered around the the the stairwell." He just said, "I've I've I've never seen He just said, "I've I've I've never seen He just said, "I've I've I've never seen a human body doing what you were doing." a human body doing what you were doing." a human body doing what you were doing." And this is a Mars And this is a Mars And this is a Mars GWAD veteran who has GWAD veteran who has GWAD veteran who has seen it all in the Marine Corps. I've seen it all in the Marine Corps. I've seen it all in the Marine Corps. I've seen horrific [ __ ] It was a It was a seen horrific [ __ ] It was a It was a seen horrific [ __ ] It was a It was a really bad experience. really bad experience. really bad experience. >> What do you think it was? Because some, >> What do you think it was? Because some, >> What do you think it was? Because some, you know, people say you had a you know, people say you had a you know, people say you had a psychedelic experience, but you think it psychedelic experience, but you think it psychedelic experience, but you think it was something more than just a was something more than just a was something more than just a psychedelic hallucination, per se. psychedelic hallucination, per se. psychedelic hallucination, per se. >> Yeah, I think it's what I told you. I >> Yeah, I think it's what I told you. I >> Yeah, I think it's what I told you. I think that when you dabble in think that when you dabble in think that when you dabble in psychedelics, psychedelics, psychedelics, there can be benefits.

there can be benefits. there can be benefits. And I also think that there are you are And I also think that there are you are And I also think that there are you are opening yourself up to a realm that we opening yourself up to a realm that we opening yourself up to a realm that we were never supposed to have access to were never supposed to have access to were never supposed to have access to spiritually. spiritually. spiritually. And I think And I think And I think that you are that you are that you are naked in a world that you or I or nobody naked in a world that you or I or nobody naked in a world that you or I or nobody living today truly understands. living today truly understands. living today truly understands. And with that comes I mean you're just you're at a I mean you're just you're at a vulnerable point that things can can vulnerable point that things can can vulnerable point that things can can access you that and you can access them. access you that and you can access them. access you that and you can access them. And from what I saw from watching your And from what I saw from watching your And from what I saw from watching your videos over the last couple of weeks, videos over the last couple of weeks, videos over the last couple of weeks, your life has been different ever since. your life has been different ever since. your life has been different ever since. >> Mhm. It's been different. All right. >> Mhm. It's been different. All right. >> Mhm. It's been different. All right. It's been It's been It's been dark. dark. dark. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It gets better. It's been a lot of supernatural things. Things that I just supernatural things. Things that I just I mean, I can't even believe I'm saying I mean, I can't even believe I'm saying I mean, I can't even believe I'm saying I I talk about some of this stuff, but I I talk about some of this stuff, but I I talk about some of this stuff, but it's it is real. And uh it's it is real. And uh it's it is real. And uh I don't really care what anybody thinks I don't really care what anybody thinks I don't really care what anybody thinks about me, but it has been supernatural about me, but it has been supernatural about me, but it has been supernatural things that have happened. It has been things that have happened. It has been things that have happened. It has been nightmares. It has been very odd nightmares. It has been very odd nightmares. It has been very odd coincidences, coincidences, coincidences, uh synchronicities, uh synchronicities, uh synchronicities, um um um lots of that kind of stuff. And you know lots of that kind of stuff. And you know lots of that kind of stuff. And you know what it's all done, it is it has drawn what it's all done, it is it has drawn what it's all done, it is it has drawn me much much much closer to Christ.

me much much much closer to Christ. me much much much closer to Christ. I heard you describe that some I heard you describe that some I heard you describe that some supernatural things that were going on supernatural things that were going on supernatural things that were going on in your physical environment, in your physical environment, in your physical environment, >> but you know, I think you one of the >> but you know, I think you one of the >> but you know, I think you one of the videos I was watching maybe a week ago, videos I was watching maybe a week ago, videos I was watching maybe a week ago, you said that things were like falling you said that things were like falling you said that things were like falling off the walls in your house. off the walls in your house. off the walls in your house. >> Not in my house. >> Not in my house. >> Not in my house. >> Not in your house, in other places. >> Not in your house, in other places. >> Not in your house, in other places. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Your use of the word dark is really >> Your use of the word dark is really >> Your use of the word dark is really fascinating to me. Is the darkness fascinating to me. Is the darkness fascinating to me. Is the darkness because of the nightmares or is it because of the nightmares or is it because of the nightmares or is it because of your mental state or is it because of your mental state or is it because of your mental state or is it something else? something else? something else? >> The darkness is because of all of it >> The darkness is because of all of it >> The darkness is because of all of it together. So, I'll I'll give you a I together. So, I'll I'll give you a I together. So, I'll I'll give you a I don't want to talk too long on this uh don't want to talk too long on this uh don't want to talk too long on this uh to be honest with you, but I'll give you to be honest with you, but I'll give you to be honest with you, but I'll give you the example of the picture frames coming the example of the picture frames coming the example of the picture frames coming off the wall. off the wall. off the wall. >> So, I was in Maine. >> So, I was in Maine. >> So, I was in Maine. I did a podcast up there I did a podcast up there I did a podcast up there >> and I was at my in-laws house and I had >> and I was at my in-laws house and I had >> and I was at my in-laws house and I had been put on this uh I mean, it's no been put on this uh I mean, it's no been put on this uh I mean, it's no secret. I I had done some exorcisms now secret. I I had done some exorcisms now secret. I I had done some exorcisms now uh with two different priests who've uh with two different priests who've uh with two different priests who've also been spiritual mentors of mine. also been spiritual mentors of mine. >> [snorts] >> And I went up there and I I've been I I >> And I went up there and I I've been I I >> And I went up there and I I've been I I kept having these nightmares, these kept having these nightmares, these kept having these nightmares, these these reoccurring nightmares, different these reoccurring nightmares, different these reoccurring nightmares, different scenarios, but it would it would destroy scenarios, but it would it would destroy scenarios, but it would it would destroy my family. I'm sure you've had dreams my family. I'm sure you've had dreams my family. I'm sure you've had dreams like this. You wake up and it takes you like this. You wake up and it takes you like this. You wake up and it takes you a couple minutes to realize it was just a couple minutes to realize it was just a couple minutes to realize it was just a dream.

a dream. a dream. Well, I kept having these. Well, I kept having these. Well, I kept having these. And what all this has done has drawn me further into Catholicism. I grew up further into Catholicism. I grew up Catholic, fell away from it. Now I'm Catholic, fell away from it. Now I'm Catholic, fell away from it. Now I'm back in because I think they're some of back in because I think they're some of back in because I think they're some of the only ones that have an understanding the only ones that have an understanding the only ones that have an understanding of this realm. [sighs and gasps] of this realm. [sighs and gasps] of this realm. [sighs and gasps] And I've been thinking about having this And I've been thinking about having this And I've been thinking about having this bishop on from the Catholic Church. bishop on from the Catholic Church. bishop on from the Catholic Church. And And And I had had this dream where I had had this dream where I had had this dream where he kept uh kind of like we were about to he kept uh kind of like we were about to he kept uh kind of like we were about to do the podcast do the podcast do the podcast and he kept like sending me these like and he kept like sending me these like and he kept like sending me these like cryptic cryptic cryptic homosexual messages like he wanted to homosexual messages like he wanted to homosexual messages like he wanted to get with me or something. This was in my get with me or something. This was in my get with me or something. This was in my dream and it was just making me furious dream and it was just making me furious dream and it was just making me furious and and it made me hate the Catholic and and it made me hate the Catholic and and it made me hate the Catholic Church. made me hate it. I woke up from Church. made me hate it. I woke up from Church. made me hate it. I woke up from it. I was like, [gasps] it. I was like, [gasps] it. I was like, [gasps] I don't want to be a part of this I don't want to be a part of this I don't want to be a part of this anymore. This is disgusting. Why, you anymore. This is disgusting. Why, you anymore. This is disgusting. Why, you know, it was vivid dream. And uh but it know, it was vivid dream. And uh but it know, it was vivid dream. And uh but it was all Yeah, I never met him. And then was all Yeah, I never met him. And then was all Yeah, I never met him. And then I still have never met him. And and but I still have never met him. And and but I still have never met him. And and but I I I just kept getting, you know, it I I I just kept getting, you know, it I I I just kept getting, you know, it was it was vivid. It was like what?

was it was vivid. It was like what? was it was vivid. It was like what? We're coming here to do the podcast to We're coming here to do the podcast to We're coming here to do the podcast to talk about the So I wake up. These talk about the So I wake up. These talk about the So I wake up. These priests had put me on this uh prayer priests had put me on this uh prayer priests had put me on this uh prayer regimen. It's called the Libra Cristo regimen. It's called the Libra Cristo regimen. It's called the Libra Cristo method. And so you say it at 6:00 a.m. method. And so you say it at 6:00 a.m. method. And so you say it at 6:00 a.m. 12 uh p.m. 6:00 p.m. So I go out, I kind 12 uh p.m. 6:00 p.m. So I go out, I kind 12 uh p.m. 6:00 p.m. So I go out, I kind of shake it off and I'm like, "All of shake it off and I'm like, "All of shake it off and I'm like, "All right, I'm going to go out and I'm going right, I'm going to go out and I'm going right, I'm going to go out and I'm going to start my prayer regimen." And so I to start my prayer regimen." And so I to start my prayer regimen." And so I start the prayer regimen. And in the start the prayer regimen. And in the start the prayer regimen. And in the middle of it, I start the St. Michael's middle of it, I start the St. Michael's middle of it, I start the St. Michael's prayer and a picture frame flies off the prayer and a picture frame flies off the prayer and a picture frame flies off the wall. wall. wall. And I'm like, "Holy shit." All right. I And I'm like, "Holy shit." All right. I And I'm like, "Holy shit." All right. I just had this weird dream that makes me just had this weird dream that makes me just had this weird dream that makes me hate Catholicism. hate Catholicism. hate Catholicism. Now I'm doing this prayer and this Now I'm doing this prayer and this Now I'm doing this prayer and this picture frame flies off the wall and picture frame flies off the wall and picture frame flies off the wall and then it's Sunday. So then I'm going to then it's Sunday. So then I'm going to then it's Sunday. So then I'm going to mass. So I go to mass mass. So I go to mass mass. So I go to mass and I'm with this guy uh we'll call him and I'm with this guy uh we'll call him and I'm with this guy uh we'll call him Hendo and uh he he he protects me, Hendo and uh he he he protects me, Hendo and uh he he he protects me, protects my family and has turned into a protects my family and has turned into a protects my family and has turned into a spiritual mentor of mine and a good spiritual mentor of mine and a good spiritual mentor of mine and a good friend. And we're going to mass together friend. And we're going to mass together friend. And we're going to mass together and I'm telling him about these things and I'm telling him about these things and I'm telling him about these things that are happening that are happening that are happening and he knows all the prior stuff. whole and he knows all the prior stuff. whole and he knows all the prior stuff. whole bunch of stuff had had happened prior to bunch of stuff had had happened prior to bunch of stuff had had happened prior to this too. And we get into mass and and this too. And we get into mass and and this too. And we get into mass and and uh I go and I take communion and uh I go and I take communion and uh I go and I take communion and immediately after I took communion I had immediately after I took communion I had immediately after I took communion I had an allergic reaction like immediately.

an allergic reaction like immediately. an allergic reaction like immediately. And so this is all I think we went to And so this is all I think we went to And so this is all I think we went to 8:00 mass. So this is all within about 2 8:00 mass. So this is all within about 2 8:00 mass. So this is all within about 2 hours from end of the dream to the hours from end of the dream to the hours from end of the dream to the prayer to now we're at mass maybe 7:00 prayer to now we're at mass maybe 7:00 prayer to now we're at mass maybe 7:00 a.m. I don't know. So, I go up, I take a.m. I don't know. So, I go up, I take a.m. I don't know. So, I go up, I take communion, communion, communion, come back. I'm kneeling down. My face come back. I'm kneeling down. My face come back. I'm kneeling down. My face feels like it's on fire. And he looks at feels like it's on fire. And he looks at feels like it's on fire. And he looks at me and and he's like, "What?" He's like, me and and he's like, "What?" He's like, me and and he's like, "What?" He's like, "What? What's wrong with you?" And I'm "What? What's wrong with you?" And I'm "What? What's wrong with you?" And I'm like, "Is my face is my face red?" And like, "Is my face is my face red?" And like, "Is my face is my face red?" And he's like, "Yeah." He's like, "Your He's he's like, "Yeah." He's like, "Your He's he's like, "Yeah." He's like, "Your He's like, "Your veins are like popping out like, "Your veins are like popping out like, "Your veins are like popping out in your forehead and you look like a in your forehead and you look like a in your forehead and you look like a tomato." tomato." tomato." I'm like, "Man, my face feels like I'm like, "Man, my face feels like I'm like, "Man, my face feels like really hot. I'm having a [gasps] I think really hot. I'm having a [gasps] I think really hot. I'm having a [gasps] I think I'm having a reaction to communion and I I'm having a reaction to communion and I I'm having a reaction to communion and I mean this is like seconds after I it's mean this is like seconds after I it's mean this is like seconds after I it's not even enough time for an allergic not even enough time for an allergic not even enough time for an allergic reaction to happen. and it happened reaction to happen. and it happened reaction to happen. and it happened seconds afterwards. And so, you know, seconds afterwards. And so, you know, seconds afterwards. And so, you know, it's these weird And right before that, it's these weird And right before that, it's these weird And right before that, I had told him we had we had got there a I had told him we had we had got there a I had told him we had we had got there a little early and I was like, you it's so little early and I was like, you it's so little early and I was like, you it's so weird cuz these things seem to happen in weird cuz these things seem to happen in weird cuz these things seem to happen in like like like >> in sequences.

>> in sequences. >> in sequences. And I was like, it's just like one after And I was like, it's just like one after And I was like, it's just like one after the next and then nothing happened for a the next and then nothing happened for a the next and then nothing happened for a while and then we went into mass and while and then we went into mass and while and then we went into mass and bam, there it is. bam, there it is. bam, there it is. That kind of stuff has been happening to That kind of stuff has been happening to That kind of stuff has been happening to me for 3 months now. Ever since that, me for 3 months now. Ever since that, me for 3 months now. Ever since that, >> ever since that >> ever since that >> ever since that >> I guess the outstanding question I have >> I guess the outstanding question I have >> I guess the outstanding question I have is there's this experience you had three is there's this experience you had three is there's this experience you had three months ago. There's these experiences months ago. There's these experiences months ago. There's these experiences you've had thereafter and like what is I you've had thereafter and like what is I you've had thereafter and like what is I guess the audience will be thinking like guess the audience will be thinking like guess the audience will be thinking like what is the conclusion of this? what is the conclusion of this? what is the conclusion of this? >> It's really interesting because I've >> It's really interesting because I've >> It's really interesting because I've I've done I've been a huge proponent for I've done I've been a huge proponent for I've done I've been a huge proponent for the psychedelic community and and all the psychedelic community and and all the psychedelic community and and all the good that it's done. But the minute the good that it's done. But the minute the good that it's done. But the minute you do something and you say something you do something and you say something you do something and you say something negative about it negative about it negative about it >> pisses everybody off. They they don't >> pisses everybody off. They they don't >> pisses everybody off. They they don't want you to talk about it. How dare you? want you to talk about it. How dare you? want you to talk about it. How dare you? You know, and and it's You know, and and it's You know, and and it's there's two sides to it. And people need there's two sides to it. And people need there's two sides to it. And people need to know that. You know what I mean? And to know that. You know what I mean? And to know that. You know what I mean? And make their own decisions. Like it's not make their own decisions. Like it's not make their own decisions. Like it's not all good. I just I just prove that, you all good. I just I just prove that, you all good. I just I just prove that, you know, and and do I know what it is? No.

know, and and do I know what it is? No. know, and and do I know what it is? No. Do I know for certain that it came from Do I know for certain that it came from Do I know for certain that it came from psychedelics? I'm not saying that it did psychedelics? I'm not saying that it did psychedelics? I'm not saying that it did come from psychedelics. That seemed to come from psychedelics. That seemed to come from psychedelics. That seemed to be the trigger point, but it kind of be the trigger point, but it kind of be the trigger point, but it kind of appears to me like I'm the only one appears to me like I'm the only one appears to me like I'm the only one that's willing to talk about both sides that's willing to talk about both sides that's willing to talk about both sides because people are really upset, you because people are really upset, you because people are really upset, you know, that I'm talking about what know, that I'm talking about what know, that I'm talking about what happened to me, my journey. And um like happened to me, my journey. And um like happened to me, my journey. And um like I said, I think that I said, I think that I said, I think that it opens you up to a forbidden realm it opens you up to a forbidden realm it opens you up to a forbidden realm that we maybe we shouldn't have access that we maybe we shouldn't have access that we maybe we shouldn't have access to. I mean, a lot of people say, you to. I mean, a lot of people say, you to. I mean, a lot of people say, you know, it lifts the veil. Yeah, it lifts know, it lifts the veil. Yeah, it lifts know, it lifts the veil. Yeah, it lifts the veil. All right. But maybe we have the veil. All right. But maybe we have the veil. All right. But maybe we have that veil over us for a reason. that veil over us for a reason. that veil over us for a reason. >> This is something that I've made for >> This is something that I've made for >> This is something that I've made for you. I realize that the divers here you. I realize that the divers here you. I realize that the divers here audience are strivvers. Whether it's in audience are strivvers. Whether it's in audience are strivvers. Whether it's in business or health, we all have big business or health, we all have big business or health, we all have big goals that we want to accomplish. And goals that we want to accomplish. And goals that we want to accomplish. And one of the things I've learned is that one of the things I've learned is that one of the things I've learned is that when you aim at the big big big goal, it when you aim at the big big big goal, it when you aim at the big big big goal, it can feel incredibly psychologically can feel incredibly psychologically can feel incredibly psychologically uncomfortable because it's kind of like uncomfortable because it's kind of like uncomfortable because it's kind of like being stood at the foot of Mount Everest being stood at the foot of Mount Everest being stood at the foot of Mount Everest and looking upwards. The way to and looking upwards. The way to and looking upwards. The way to accomplish your goals is by breaking accomplish your goals is by breaking accomplish your goals is by breaking them down into tiny small steps. And we them down into tiny small steps. And we them down into tiny small steps. And we call this in our team the 1%. And call this in our team the 1%. And call this in our team the 1%. And actually this philosophy is highly actually this philosophy is highly actually this philosophy is highly responsible for much of our success responsible for much of our success responsible for much of our success here. So, what we've done so that you at here. So, what we've done so that you at here. So, what we've done so that you at home can accomplish any big goal that home can accomplish any big goal that home can accomplish any big goal that you have is we've made these 1% diaries you have is we've made these 1% diaries you have is we've made these 1% diaries and we released these last year and they and we released these last year and they and we released these last year and they all sold out. So, I asked my team over all sold out. So, I asked my team over all sold out. So, I asked my team over and over again to bring the diaries and over again to bring the diaries and over again to bring the diaries back, but also to introduce some new back, but also to introduce some new back, but also to introduce some new colors and to make some minor tweaks to colors and to make some minor tweaks to colors and to make some minor tweaks to the diary. So, now we have a better

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this process. this process. >> To my knowledge, there are two types. Uh >> To my knowledge, there are two types. Uh >> To my knowledge, there are two types. Uh there are possession which is where there are possession which is where there are possession which is where you're not you're not you're not really in control of your body and your really in control of your body and your really in control of your body and your mind and then there is oppression mind and then there is oppression mind and then there is oppression which is things start happening around which is things start happening around which is things start happening around you and it could be you and it could be you and it could be all the things that we just talked all the things that we just talked all the things that we just talked about. It could be financial. It could about. It could be financial. It could about. It could be financial. It could be health. It could be trying to destroy be health. It could be trying to destroy be health. It could be trying to destroy your family. It could be trying to your family. It could be trying to your family. It could be trying to destroy your faith. It could be all of destroy your faith. It could be all of destroy your faith. It could be all of that, you know, but it's not. But you're that, you know, but it's not. But you're that, you know, but it's not. But you're still in control of your mind and your still in control of your mind and your still in control of your mind and your body. And so [snorts] body. And so [snorts] body. And so [snorts] from the from the the the priests that from the from the the the priests that from the from the the the priests that I've talked to, they all think that it I've talked to, they all think that it I've talked to, they all think that it is oppression, is oppression, is oppression, >> oppression, not possession. >> oppression, not possession. >> oppression, not possession. >> What is it? I mean it is uh it's a >> What is it? I mean it is uh it's a >> What is it? I mean it is uh it's a series of prayers. They try to figure series of prayers. They try to figure series of prayers. They try to figure out what it is. I don't know exactly out what it is. I don't know exactly out what it is. I don't know exactly everything that they're doing. Some of everything that they're doing. Some of everything that they're doing. Some of them have been done in Latin. Uh some of them have been done in Latin. Uh some of them have been done in Latin. Uh some of them have been done in English. One of them have been done in English. One of them have been done in English. One of the commonalities seem to be, hey, we're the commonalities seem to be, hey, we're the commonalities seem to be, hey, we're going to do a series of these. And we going to do a series of these. And we going to do a series of these. And we want to see if we get any reactions um want to see if we get any reactions um want to see if we get any reactions um to certain prayers or certain parts of to certain prayers or certain parts of to certain prayers or certain parts of prayers. And if we do see a reaction to prayers. And if we do see a reaction to prayers. And if we do see a reaction to a certain part, then we can eliminate a certain part, then we can eliminate a certain part, then we can eliminate certain things and and and and certain things and and and and certain things and and and and kind of dial in on on what we think kind of dial in on on what we think kind of dial in on on what we think exactly is going on.

exactly is going on. exactly is going on. >> And you are right in the middle of this >> And you are right in the middle of this >> And you are right in the middle of this at the moment. at the moment. at the moment. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How has it been for your family, for >> How has it been for your family, for >> How has it been for your family, for Katie? Katie? Katie? >> I mean, it's it's it's been rough. >> I mean, it's it's it's been rough. >> I mean, it's it's it's been rough. >> Brilliant. >> Brilliant. >> Brilliant. >> Yeah. I mean, imagine uh coming home to >> Yeah. I mean, imagine uh coming home to >> Yeah. I mean, imagine uh coming home to your wife and kids and saying, you know, your wife and kids and saying, you know, your wife and kids and saying, you know, just being honest. I just got done with just being honest. I just got done with just being honest. I just got done with my fifth exorcism today. my fifth exorcism today. my fifth exorcism today. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then thinking about the things that >> And then thinking about the things that >> And then thinking about the things that are going through their head because, are going through their head because, are going through their head because, you know, you think about, you know, you know, you think about, you know, you know, you think about, you know, what goes through your head? Exactly what goes through your head? Exactly what goes through your head? Exactly what you said, the movies, what you said, the movies, what you said, the movies, >> you know, what is he what like is he in >> you know, what is he what like is he in >> you know, what is he what like is he in control of his own mind? What is going control of his own mind? What is going control of his own mind? What is going to happen? And I have the same to happen? And I have the same to happen? And I have the same questions. How bad is this going to get? questions. How bad is this going to get? questions. How bad is this going to get? What's going to happen next? Is this is What's going to happen next? Is this is What's going to happen next? Is this is this is this ever going to go away? Is this is this ever going to go away? Is this is this ever going to go away? Is this just mine to carry for the rest of this just mine to carry for the rest of this just mine to carry for the rest of my life? What does my wife think? What my life? What does my wife think? What my life? What does my wife think? What does she think when she goes to bed next does she think when she goes to bed next does she think when she goes to bed next to me every night? to me every night? to me every night? >> Does she think I'm I'm I'm a crazy >> Does she think I'm I'm I'm a crazy >> Does she think I'm I'm I'm a crazy person? person? person? >> I was just imagining my fiance's she >> I was just imagining my fiance's she >> I was just imagining my fiance's she actually I think it's probably one of actually I think it's probably one of actually I think it's probably one of the first time she's ever been here, but the first time she's ever been here, but the first time she's ever been here, but she just happens to be here today. She's she just happens to be here today. She's she just happens to be here today. She's in one of the other rooms and I was just in one of the other rooms and I was just in one of the other rooms and I was just thinking I was imagining coming home and thinking I was imagining coming home and thinking I was imagining coming home and saying that to her. She is very saying that to her. She is very saying that to her. She is very spiritual. She's very religious as well.

spiritual. She's very religious as well. spiritual. She's very religious as well. So I imagine she might pray for me. Um I So I imagine she might pray for me. Um I So I imagine she might pray for me. Um I imagine I imagine she'd want to pray for imagine I imagine she'd want to pray for imagine I imagine she'd want to pray for me. me. me. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. Well, then you have an amazing woman and Well, then you have an amazing woman and Well, then you have an amazing woman and so do I. And she's been with me every so do I. And she's been with me every so do I. And she's been with me every step of the way. She's been there for step of the way. She's been there for step of the way. She's been there for some of them. Uh she's seen some of the some of them. Uh she's seen some of the some of them. Uh she's seen some of the things happen, but it's been tough. It's things happen, but it's been tough. It's things happen, but it's been tough. It's been really tough. And you know what's been really tough. And you know what's been really tough. And you know what's interesting too is when I started interesting too is when I started interesting too is when I started talking about this, talking about this, talking about this, you feel like you're you're alone and you feel like you're you're alone and you feel like you're you're alone and you're crazy and and I never really have you're crazy and and I never really have you're crazy and and I never really have cared what other people think about me, cared what other people think about me, cared what other people think about me, but this is pretty pretty personal uh but this is pretty pretty personal uh but this is pretty pretty personal uh stuff, but especially with the stuff, but especially with the stuff, but especially with the psychedelics thing. I had uh extremely psychedelics thing. I had uh extremely psychedelics thing. I had uh extremely influential uh military figures, SEALs, influential uh military figures, SEALs, influential uh military figures, SEALs, SF guys, Delta, like all these guys have SF guys, Delta, like all these guys have SF guys, Delta, like all these guys have reached out and said, "Man, I thought I reached out and said, "Man, I thought I reached out and said, "Man, I thought I was the only one that had that kind of was the only one that had that kind of was the only one that had that kind of an experience." I and they're telling me an experience." I and they're telling me an experience." I and they're telling me how brave I am for talking about it, you how brave I am for talking about it, you how brave I am for talking about it, you know. But know. But know. But [sighs] [sighs] [sighs] I guess what I'm saying is I'm I'm not I guess what I'm saying is I'm I'm not I guess what I'm saying is I'm I'm not the only one, you know, that this this the only one, you know, that this this the only one, you know, that this this stuff happens to. I guess I'm just the stuff happens to. I guess I'm just the stuff happens to. I guess I'm just the only one that decided to articulate it.

only one that decided to articulate it. only one that decided to articulate it. >> How are you? >> How are you? >> How are you? >> I'm good. >> I'm good. >> I'm good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's I was going, you know, >> Yeah, that's I was going, you know, >> Yeah, that's I was going, you know, there is a positive to all of this and there is a positive to all of this and there is a positive to all of this and and and and >> you know, for me, are you a Christian? >> you know, for me, are you a Christian? >> you know, for me, are you a Christian? >> It's a good question. I was raised >> It's a good question. I was raised >> It's a good question. I was raised Christian in a very very Christian Christian in a very very Christian Christian in a very very Christian household. So, you know, to some degree household. So, you know, to some degree household. So, you know, to some degree it's somewhat in your bones. I think at it's somewhat in your bones. I think at it's somewhat in your bones. I think at like 18 19 I started having lots of like 18 19 I started having lots of like 18 19 I started having lots of questions and then I became I was one of questions and then I became I was one of questions and then I became I was one of those people in the sort of new atheist those people in the sort of new atheist those people in the sort of new atheist movement they called it that got really movement they called it that got really movement they called it that got really interested in reading all the like interested in reading all the like interested in reading all the like Richard Dawkins books Richard Dawkins books Richard Dawkins books >> and I went through that phase where I >> and I went through that phase where I >> and I went through that phase where I just wanted to argue with everybody just wanted to argue with everybody just wanted to argue with everybody because I was trying to form my own because I was trying to form my own because I was trying to form my own opinion and I came out of that and opinion and I came out of that and opinion and I came out of that and stopped caring and now I find myself in stopped caring and now I find myself in stopped caring and now I find myself in a place that I would describe as like um a place that I would describe as like um a place that I would describe as like um as agnostic but curious and that as agnostic but curious and that as agnostic but curious and that curiosity I think maybe from doing this curiosity I think maybe from doing this curiosity I think maybe from doing this podcast frankly and the interviewing podcast frankly and the interviewing podcast frankly and the interviewing some of the people that I have has some of the people that I have has some of the people that I have has has continued to develop. So I found has continued to develop. So I found has continued to develop. So I found myself in a place where I think it would myself in a place where I think it would myself in a place where I think it would be extremely arrogant for me to say that be extremely arrogant for me to say that be extremely arrogant for me to say that I didn't think there was something more. I didn't think there was something more. I didn't think there was something more. But I I I don't I I couldn't say what I But I I I don't I I couldn't say what I But I I I don't I I couldn't say what I what it was. I couldn't define it like what it was. I couldn't define it like what it was. I couldn't define it like some people are able to define it. Like some people are able to define it. Like some people are able to define it. Like the Christian apologists like Wes Huff the Christian apologists like Wes Huff the Christian apologists like Wes Huff Wes Huff can define it. I can't define Wes Huff can define it. I can't define Wes Huff can define it. I can't define what that means for me.

what that means for me. what that means for me. >> Well, don't you think it's interesting >> Well, don't you think it's interesting >> Well, don't you think it's interesting that all these people keep coming on that all these people keep coming on that all these people keep coming on your podcast and bringing this stuff up? your podcast and bringing this stuff up? your podcast and bringing this stuff up? people that maybe you would never expect people that maybe you would never expect people that maybe you would never expect like like your most recent one like like your most recent one like like your most recent one >> Andrew Hubman. >> Andrew Hubman. >> Andrew Hubman. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, it is fascinating. It is truly >> No, it is fascinating. It is truly >> No, it is fascinating. It is truly fascinating. fascinating. fascinating. >> That's what started happening to me. >> That's what started happening to me. >> That's what started happening to me. >> Oh, on your show. >> Oh, on your show. >> Oh, on your show. >> Yeah. That's where that's where the seed >> Yeah. That's where that's where the seed >> Yeah. That's where that's where the seed was was planted. You know, I grew up, was was planted. You know, I grew up, was was planted. You know, I grew up, like I said, I grew up Catholic, but like I said, I grew up Catholic, but like I said, I grew up Catholic, but that's what started happening to me is that's what started happening to me is that's what started happening to me is all these people started coming on and all these people started coming on and all these people started coming on and they would they would they would >> and it was fascinating to me to hear >> and it was fascinating to me to hear >> and it was fascinating to me to hear their journey, but I didn't, you know, I their journey, but I didn't, you know, I their journey, but I didn't, you know, I was like you on the fence. was like you on the fence. was like you on the fence. >> You got baptized quite recently. >> You got baptized quite recently. >> You got baptized quite recently. >> Yeah. I can't remember what year. >> Yeah. I can't remember what year. >> Yeah. I can't remember what year. >> 2024, I think it was. >> 2024, I think it was. >> 2024, I think it was. >> Yeah. On Easter. >> Yeah. On Easter. >> Yeah. On Easter. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's just funny, you know, how it works. >> It's just funny, you know, how it works. >> It's just funny, you know, how it works. But but so where I was going, you know, But but so where I was going, you know, But but so where I was going, you know, with all this stuff that's happening and with all this stuff that's happening and with all this stuff that's happening and and and [sighs and gasps] and and [sighs and gasps] and and [sighs and gasps] it's scary and but it gets less scary it's scary and but it gets less scary it's scary and but it gets less scary and less scary and you know what it is and less scary and you know what it is and less scary and you know what it is doing is uh it's just it's it's doing is uh it's just it's it's doing is uh it's just it's it's strengthening uh my faith and my wife's strengthening uh my faith and my wife's strengthening uh my faith and my wife's faith in Christ because faith in Christ because faith in Christ because the the the things that are happening the the the things that are happening the the the things that are happening are just undeniable.

are just undeniable. are just undeniable. You said to Tucker Carlson in July, I'm You said to Tucker Carlson in July, I'm You said to Tucker Carlson in July, I'm going through a crazy spiritual going through a crazy spiritual going through a crazy spiritual transformation right now. transformation right now. transformation right now. It must be somewhat difficult to share It must be somewhat difficult to share It must be somewhat difficult to share this with with the world, you know, for this with with the world, you know, for this with with the world, you know, for lots of different reasons because it's a lots of different reasons because it's a lots of different reasons because it's a it's a subjective experience. it's a subjective experience. it's a subjective experience. So to sort of communicate that publicly, So to sort of communicate that publicly, So to sort of communicate that publicly, you I could see as you were explaining you I could see as you were explaining you I could see as you were explaining it like you you're well aware that it like you you're well aware that it like you you're well aware that people will think it's like it's what's people will think it's like it's what's people will think it's like it's what's he talking about or it's some whatever. he talking about or it's some whatever. he talking about or it's some whatever. Like when you deliver your truth, you Like when you deliver your truth, you Like when you deliver your truth, you also acknowledge as you're saying it. also acknowledge as you're saying it. also acknowledge as you're saying it. Some people will think I'm just saying, Some people will think I'm just saying, Some people will think I'm just saying, but you just have to take my word for but you just have to take my word for but you just have to take my word for it. So, it's not easy to make that it. So, it's not easy to make that it. So, it's not easy to make that decision to share it. What What inspired decision to share it. What What inspired decision to share it. What What inspired that? What inspired your decision to that? What inspired your decision to that? What inspired your decision to come out and tell your audience very come out and tell your audience very come out and tell your audience very publicly publicly publicly you're going through this? A couple you're going through this? A couple you're going through this? A couple reasons. One is reasons. One is reasons. One is we get access to a lot of people that we get access to a lot of people that we get access to a lot of people that nobody gets access to, you know, and and nobody gets access to, you know, and and nobody gets access to, you know, and and we get a lot of time with them. we get a lot of time with them. we get a lot of time with them. [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] I ask them on my podcast. I just ask the I ask them on my podcast. I just ask the I ask them on my podcast. I just ask the questions, you know, that I'm that I'm questions, you know, that I'm that I'm questions, you know, that I'm that I'm genuinely curious and for my for myself.

genuinely curious and for my for myself. genuinely curious and for my for myself. >> Mhm. And on top of that, I feel like >> Mhm. And on top of that, I feel like >> Mhm. And on top of that, I feel like it's kind of maybe my responsibility or it's kind of maybe my responsibility or it's kind of maybe my responsibility or that maybe I'm supposed to do that, you that maybe I'm supposed to do that, you that maybe I'm supposed to do that, you know, because because I do have one of know, because because I do have one of know, because because I do have one of the biggest podcasts in the world and the biggest podcasts in the world and the biggest podcasts in the world and I'm a I'm just a normal guy. I think a I'm a I'm just a normal guy. I think a I'm a I'm just a normal guy. I think a lot of people realize that about me and lot of people realize that about me and lot of people realize that about me and because I get the access to the people because I get the access to the people because I get the access to the people that I get access to, you know, I think that I get access to, you know, I think that I get access to, you know, I think it's important that I ask those kind of it's important that I ask those kind of it's important that I ask those kind of questions. You know, one thing that came questions. You know, one thing that came questions. You know, one thing that came out of this, you know, for me is I I out of this, you know, for me is I I out of this, you know, for me is I I just uh I've never like just uh I've never like just uh I've never like Some of these things, some of these Some of these things, some of these Some of these things, some of these supernatural type things happened the supernatural type things happened the supernatural type things happened the night before I had Cardinal Burke on and night before I had Cardinal Burke on and night before I had Cardinal Burke on and he is very high up in the Catholic he is very high up in the Catholic he is very high up in the Catholic church. And so, uh, one thing I decided church. And so, uh, one thing I decided church. And so, uh, one thing I decided I wanted to do is cuz I I got way more I wanted to do is cuz I I got way more I wanted to do is cuz I I got way more involved in politics than I wanted to involved in politics than I wanted to involved in politics than I wanted to be. And you now I think pretty much all be. And you now I think pretty much all be. And you now I think pretty much all of them are just lying pieces of [ __ ] of them are just lying pieces of [ __ ] of them are just lying pieces of [ __ ] And so I don't really want to do it And so I don't really want to do it And so I don't really want to do it anymore. Well, that leaves a a huge gap anymore. Well, that leaves a a huge gap anymore. Well, that leaves a a huge gap in my content. And I'm not saying I will in my content. And I'm not saying I will in my content. And I'm not saying I will never do it again, but uh it's unlikely.

never do it again, but uh it's unlikely. never do it again, but uh it's unlikely. [sighs] So now I have this gap that's [sighs] So now I have this gap that's [sighs] So now I have this gap that's opened and I I am obviously very opened and I I am obviously very opened and I I am obviously very interested in Christianity now. And I've interested in Christianity now. And I've interested in Christianity now. And I've read maybe half the Bible, maybe a read maybe half the Bible, maybe a read maybe half the Bible, maybe a little bit more, understand maybe 5 10% little bit more, understand maybe 5 10% little bit more, understand maybe 5 10% of what I've read. So, what I want to do of what I've read. So, what I want to do of what I've read. So, what I want to do is, you know, just like I was saying, I is, you know, just like I was saying, I is, you know, just like I was saying, I think I'm supposed to ask these think I'm supposed to ask these think I'm supposed to ask these questions and and and I get access to questions and and and I get access to questions and and and I get access to people that people that people that almost nobody gets access to. And so, I almost nobody gets access to. And so, I almost nobody gets access to. And so, I want to do a a series breaking down want to do a a series breaking down want to do a a series breaking down every single book in the Bible on my every single book in the Bible on my every single book in the Bible on my podcast. And it'll take several years, podcast. And it'll take several years, podcast. And it'll take several years, you know, to get through it all. But you know, to get through it all. But you know, to get through it all. But right when we kicked it off with right when we kicked it off with right when we kicked it off with Cardinal Burke the night before all Cardinal Burke the night before all Cardinal Burke the night before all these these these wild wild wild supernatural things you know started supernatural things you know started supernatural things you know started happening the night before and so to me happening the night before and so to me happening the night before and so to me that's a sign like yeah I am supposed to that's a sign like yeah I am supposed to that's a sign like yeah I am supposed to be doing this. Were those the be doing this. Were those the be doing this. Were those the supernatural things we talked about supernatural things we talked about supernatural things we talked about before or is this lots of other things before or is this lots of other things before or is this lots of other things >> difference the timing? You cannot make >> difference the timing? You cannot make >> difference the timing? You cannot make the timing up.

the timing up. the timing up. >> And have supernatural things ever >> And have supernatural things ever >> And have supernatural things ever happened to you before that experience happened to you before that experience happened to you before that experience you had 3 months ago? you had 3 months ago? you had 3 months ago? >> Not like that. >> Not like that. >> Not like that. >> Not like this. >> Not like this. >> Not like this. >> This is the spiritual realm playing out >> This is the spiritual realm playing out >> This is the spiritual realm playing out in real time. in real time. in real time. A battle over uh A battle over uh A battle over uh over my soul. over my soul. over my soul. >> A battle over your soul. >> A battle over your soul. >> A battle over your soul. >> Yeah. And this is why you have to pray >> Yeah. And this is why you have to pray >> Yeah. And this is why you have to pray several times a day is to I'm assuming several times a day is to I'm assuming several times a day is to I'm assuming to reinforce which side of that battle to reinforce which side of that battle to reinforce which side of that battle is winning. is winning. is winning. >> It is to um >> It is to um >> It is to um release oppression. release oppression. release oppression. >> And you don't know how long you're going >> And you don't know how long you're going >> And you don't know how long you're going to have to do that for or how long this to have to do that for or how long this to have to do that for or how long this is going to take? is going to take? is going to take? >> No idea. >> No idea. >> No idea. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Do you know when you'll know that it's >> Do you know when you'll know that it's >> Do you know when you'll know that it's that battle for your soul has been won? that battle for your soul has been won? that battle for your soul has been won? >> All I'm told is that you will just >> All I'm told is that you will just >> All I'm told is that you will just you'll know. You will know. it will be you'll know. You will know. it will be you'll know. You will know. it will be uh very apparent. uh very apparent. uh very apparent. Is it difficult to be you right now? Is it difficult to be you right now? Is it difficult to be you right now? Yeah, I know what this is for me. Yeah, I know what this is for me. Yeah, I know what this is for me. And now that I know what it is, now you And now that I know what it is, now you And now that I know what it is, now you know, we were talking about know, we were talking about know, we were talking about responsibility earlier. And now that I responsibility earlier. And now that I responsibility earlier. And now that I know what this is, this is a battle know what this is, this is a battle know what this is, this is a battle between good and evil. Now I I'm no between good and evil. Now I I'm no between good and evil. Now I I'm no longer on the fence. I can't pretend longer on the fence. I can't pretend longer on the fence. I can't pretend that I don't know. So, for example, I've that I don't know. So, for example, I've that I don't know. So, for example, I've already had advertisers already had advertisers already had advertisers who have been with me for who have been with me for who have been with me for years.

years. years. We just had a meeting on how to deepen We just had a meeting on how to deepen We just had a meeting on how to deepen the relationship with this one the relationship with this one the relationship with this one particular advertiser because they've particular advertiser because they've particular advertiser because they've been with me for so long and they just been with me for so long and they just been with me for so long and they just canled because they don't advertise on canled because they don't advertise on canled because they don't advertise on faith-based content. faith-based content. faith-based content. This is a life insurance company who This is a life insurance company who This is a life insurance company who wants to get to people who give a [ __ ] wants to get to people who give a [ __ ] wants to get to people who give a [ __ ] about their wife and their kids so that about their wife and their kids so that about their wife and their kids so that if something goes wrong, if something goes wrong, if something goes wrong, their wife and kids are taken care of. their wife and kids are taken care of. their wife and kids are taken care of. Now, I'm sorry. What [ __ ] audience Now, I'm sorry. What [ __ ] audience Now, I'm sorry. What [ __ ] audience are you trying to reach? People that are you trying to reach? People that are you trying to reach? People that give a [ __ ] about their families and you give a [ __ ] about their families and you give a [ __ ] about their families and you don't want to advertise on faith-based don't want to advertise on faith-based don't want to advertise on faith-based content. They are maybe the only ones content. They are maybe the only ones content. They are maybe the only ones that that put family at the very top of that that put family at the very top of that that put family at the very top of the priority list and you're going to the priority list and you're going to the priority list and you're going to cancel cancel cancel when I get farther into that. when I get farther into that. when I get farther into that. >> How do you feel about that decision? >> How do you feel about that decision? >> How do you feel about that decision? What do you think that is? What do you think that is? What do you think that is? >> I think it is a influence to try to get >> I think it is a influence to try to get >> I think it is a influence to try to get me to not talk about it. Just like the me to not talk about it. Just like the me to not talk about it. Just like the series of events that happened the night series of events that happened the night series of events that happened the night before I had Cardinal Burke on. before I had Cardinal Burke on. before I had Cardinal Burke on. >> You think it's part of the battle for >> You think it's part of the battle for >> You think it's part of the battle for your soul? I think that my platform your soul? I think that my platform your soul? I think that my platform as well as yours has a lot of power.

as well as yours has a lot of power. as well as yours has a lot of power. And when you have the ability to reach And when you have the ability to reach And when you have the ability to reach more people than you and I could ever more people than you and I could ever more people than you and I could ever count in a lifetime [sighs] count in a lifetime [sighs] count in a lifetime [sighs] and you're leading people to that book, and you're leading people to that book, and you're leading people to that book, it pisses a lot of entities off. It it pisses a lot of entities off. It it pisses a lot of entities off. It pisses a lot of people off. There's no pisses a lot of people off. There's no pisses a lot of people off. There's no more pretending for me. Like I know what more pretending for me. Like I know what more pretending for me. Like I know what this is. So, I have to make a decision, this is. So, I have to make a decision, this is. So, I have to make a decision, you know, because I do believe in heaven you know, because I do believe in heaven you know, because I do believe in heaven and hell. And so, if I say we can't do and hell. And so, if I say we can't do and hell. And so, if I say we can't do the Bible series anymore because we're the Bible series anymore because we're the Bible series anymore because we're going to lose advertisers, I can't take any of that money with me I can't take any of that money with me after this is over anyways. after this is over anyways. after this is over anyways. It sucks. I have goals. I'm sure you It sucks. I have goals. I'm sure you It sucks. I have goals. I'm sure you have goals. have goals. have goals. I think me and you have both probably I think me and you have both probably I think me and you have both probably seen a pattern in the guests we've seen a pattern in the guests we've seen a pattern in the guests we've interviewed, you focus a lot on life interviewed, you focus a lot on life interviewed, you focus a lot on life stories. One of the remarkable things I stories. One of the remarkable things I stories. One of the remarkable things I notic in the life stories often when I'm notic in the life stories often when I'm notic in the life stories often when I'm asked like what is the pattern of these asked like what is the pattern of these asked like what is the pattern of these successful people? I always site that in successful people? I always site that in successful people? I always site that in their stories there is a moment when their stories there is a moment when their stories there is a moment when they made a decision that was against they made a decision that was against they made a decision that was against their near-term incentives. And often I their near-term incentives. And often I their near-term incentives. And often I mean this could be you know I think mean this could be you know I think mean this could be you know I think about Jimmy Carr. He had a great job and about Jimmy Carr. He had a great job and about Jimmy Carr. He had a great job and he went to do jokes in pubs for like 5 he went to do jokes in pubs for like 5 he went to do jokes in pubs for like 5 or 10 years and got paid nothing for it.

or 10 years and got paid nothing for it. or 10 years and got paid nothing for it. or Darren Brown, one of the world's or Darren Brown, one of the world's or Darren Brown, one of the world's great illusionists who had a great job great illusionists who had a great job great illusionists who had a great job but went and did card tables in Bristol but went and did card tables in Bristol but went and did card tables in Bristol for 10 years because that was his thing. for 10 years because that was his thing. for 10 years because that was his thing. You look at these moments in their life, You look at these moments in their life, You look at these moments in their life, you go, it only only an idiot would have you go, it only only an idiot would have you go, it only only an idiot would have done that at that moment. But done that at that moment. But done that at that moment. But consistently, what it leads to is a consistently, what it leads to is a consistently, what it leads to is a better place. And I think when you were better place. And I think when you were better place. And I think when you were saying, you know, there's a short-term saying, you know, there's a short-term saying, you know, there's a short-term sacrifice potentially to pursue living sacrifice potentially to pursue living sacrifice potentially to pursue living more in alignment. I don't know, the more in alignment. I don't know, the more in alignment. I don't know, the conversations I've had is every great conversations I've had is every great conversations I've had is every great person that I've interviewed has has got person that I've interviewed has has got person that I've interviewed has has got that in their story. Sometimes several that in their story. Sometimes several that in their story. Sometimes several times. They've all walked away from times. They've all walked away from times. They've all walked away from something that others in sane humans something that others in sane humans something that others in sane humans might not have because of the strength might not have because of the strength might not have because of the strength of the incentive in the pursuit of of the incentive in the pursuit of of the incentive in the pursuit of alignment with themselves. Yes, there's alignment with themselves. Yes, there's alignment with themselves. Yes, there's some near-term turbulence, but some near-term turbulence, but some near-term turbulence, but consistently like living out of consistently like living out of consistently like living out of alignment is I think a much worse alignment is I think a much worse alignment is I think a much worse long-term place to be. long-term place to be. long-term place to be. >> Mhm. It's like you're right. >> Mhm. It's like you're right. >> Mhm. It's like you're right. >> Do you know what I mean? We kind of >> Do you know what I mean? We kind of >> Do you know what I mean? We kind of talked about it even with like booking talked about it even with like booking talked about it even with like booking guests on the podcast. like, yeah, I guests on the podcast. like, yeah, I guests on the podcast. like, yeah, I could have insert famous celebrity could have insert famous celebrity could have insert famous celebrity person on, but then I'm I'm person on, but then I'm I'm person on, but then I'm I'm incrementally swaying away from my own incrementally swaying away from my own incrementally swaying away from my own like alignment.

like alignment. like alignment. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And and you know, in the near term, I >> And and you know, in the near term, I >> And and you know, in the near term, I might get a couple more subs. might get a couple more subs. might get a couple more subs. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> But over the long term, I have a life I >> But over the long term, I have a life I >> But over the long term, I have a life I hate. hate. hate. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> You know, >> You know, >> You know, >> you know, [snorts] exactly. You become >> you know, [snorts] exactly. You become >> you know, [snorts] exactly. You become part of the herd. It's easy to be part part of the herd. It's easy to be part part of the herd. It's easy to be part of the herd. of the herd. of the herd. >> What is your goal now? Is there a >> What is your goal now? Is there a >> What is your goal now? Is there a central goal that you sort of orientate central goal that you sort of orientate central goal that you sort of orientate yourself towards yourself towards yourself towards >> in podcasting? in podcasting with your >> in podcasting? in podcasting with your >> in podcasting? in podcasting with your businesses businesses businesses >> in podcasting. You know, I think it's a >> in podcasting. You know, I think it's a >> in podcasting. You know, I think it's a couple of things. I think it's, you couple of things. I think it's, you couple of things. I think it's, you know, we already talked about this know, we already talked about this know, we already talked about this >> the Bible, >> the Bible, >> the Bible, >> but I think that, you know, your team >> but I think that, you know, your team >> but I think that, you know, your team actually sent me a similar question actually sent me a similar question actually sent me a similar question before we got here and I thought a lot before we got here and I thought a lot before we got here and I thought a lot about it, you know, cuz it always about it, you know, cuz it always about it, you know, cuz it always changes, but there's one commonality I changes, but there's one commonality I changes, but there's one commonality I think in my think in my think in my in my show and I just don't want people in my show and I just don't want people in my show and I just don't want people to be afraid to ask questions to be afraid to ask questions to be afraid to ask questions and I don't want people to be so tribal. and I don't want people to be so tribal. and I don't want people to be so tribal. I have a pretty open mind, you know, I have a pretty open mind, you know, I have a pretty open mind, you know, regardless of what people think about regardless of what people think about regardless of what people think about me. I'll talk to both. So, I've had me. I'll talk to both. So, I've had me. I'll talk to both. So, I've had Brohan on several times and Jank U is a Brohan on several times and Jank U is a Brohan on several times and Jank U is a friend of mine. You know, Tucker friend of mine. You know, Tucker friend of mine. You know, Tucker Carlson's a friend of mine. And so, I'm Carlson's a friend of mine. And so, I'm Carlson's a friend of mine. And so, I'm open to all ideas. I'm able to say I'd open to all ideas. I'm able to say I'd open to all ideas. I'm able to say I'd made a mistake. I'm able to hold myself made a mistake. I'm able to hold myself made a mistake. I'm able to hold myself accountable, you know, for things. and accountable, you know, for things. and accountable, you know, for things. and and I've publicly made statements saying and I've publicly made statements saying and I've publicly made statements saying that I've messed up, saying that I've that I've messed up, saying that I've that I've messed up, saying that I've put out misinformation unknowingly, you put out misinformation unknowingly, you put out misinformation unknowingly, you know, and I have to correct the record know, and I have to correct the record know, and I have to correct the record cuz I I I I just I really pride myself cuz I I I I just I really pride myself cuz I I I I just I really pride myself on integrity. And we don't see

on integrity. And we don't see on integrity. And we don't see very many people left holding themselves very many people left holding themselves very many people left holding themselves accountable. And so I, you know, a accountable. And so I, you know, a accountable. And so I, you know, a couple through my show, I just I I I couple through my show, I just I I I couple through my show, I just I I I want to show that you can ask questions want to show that you can ask questions want to show that you can ask questions and take a stand for what you believe and take a stand for what you believe and take a stand for what you believe in. And maybe the repercussions that you in. And maybe the repercussions that you in. And maybe the repercussions that you have come up with in in your head aren't have come up with in in your head aren't have come up with in in your head aren't going to be near as severe is is is what going to be near as severe is is is what going to be near as severe is is is what you what you might think they're going you what you might think they're going you what you might think they're going to be. You know, they say courage is to be. You know, they say courage is to be. You know, they say courage is contagious. And I I think that this contagious. And I I think that this contagious. And I I think that this country needs I think the people in this country needs I think the people in this country needs I think the people in this country need courage. And so I want to country need courage. And so I want to country need courage. And so I want to show like you can like talk about these show like you can like talk about these show like you can like talk about these things and ask questions and it's going things and ask questions and it's going things and ask questions and it's going to be okay, man. to be okay, man. to be okay, man. >> It's going to be just fine. Yeah, you >> It's going to be just fine. Yeah, you >> It's going to be just fine. Yeah, you might get a little bit of hate, but like might get a little bit of hate, but like might get a little bit of hate, but like I'm I'm still here and I've covered some I'm I'm still here and I've covered some I'm I'm still here and I've covered some of the most controversial [ __ ] on the of the most controversial [ __ ] on the of the most controversial [ __ ] on the planet, you know? I think that's really planet, you know? I think that's really planet, you know? I think that's really important. important. important. >> And what does a what does a good life >> And what does a what does a good life >> And what does a what does a good life mean to you these days? mean to you these days? mean to you these days? A good life to me is just A good life to me is just A good life to me is just [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] creating memories with my wife and kids. creating memories with my wife and kids. creating memories with my wife and kids. I think we're both in in very good I think we're both in in very good I think we're both in in very good financial situations.

financial situations. financial situations. And And And I don't know where you came from, but I I don't know where you came from, but I I don't know where you came from, but I didn't come from money. And what I've didn't come from money. And what I've didn't come from money. And what I've realized, you hear it, and nobody's realized, you hear it, and nobody's realized, you hear it, and nobody's going to believe me when I say it, but going to believe me when I say it, but going to believe me when I say it, but [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] [sighs and gasps] you just can't buy peace and you can't you just can't buy peace and you can't you just can't buy peace and you can't buy happiness. buy happiness. buy happiness. You have to create it yourself. And You have to create it yourself. And You have to create it yourself. And you're not going to create it with you're not going to create it with you're not going to create it with money. Yep. It will take some financial money. Yep. It will take some financial money. Yep. It will take some financial stress off, but it brings a whole other stress off, but it brings a whole other stress off, but it brings a whole other side of of of stress. And so, [sighs] side of of of stress. And so, [sighs] side of of of stress. And so, [sighs] you have to do what you love and you you have to do what you love and you you have to do what you love and you have to live in the moment as much as have to live in the moment as much as have to live in the moment as much as you can and and create as many memories you can and and create as many memories you can and and create as many memories with the people that you love as as as with the people that you love as as as with the people that you love as as as possible. And you know, so it's it's possible. And you know, so it's it's possible. And you know, so it's it's made me I wouldn't say back off my made me I wouldn't say back off my made me I wouldn't say back off my business cuz I'm a workaholic. I I know business cuz I'm a workaholic. I I know business cuz I'm a workaholic. I I know you are too, but you have to work you are too, but you have to work you are too, but you have to work smarter and look for the power plays. smarter and look for the power plays. smarter and look for the power plays. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And sometimes no is the is the best >> And sometimes no is the is the best >> And sometimes no is the is the best business decision you could make, not business decision you could make, not business decision you could make, not because because because it was a bad deal, because it wasn't the it was a bad deal, because it wasn't the it was a bad deal, because it wasn't the right deal. Does that make sense?

right deal. Does that make sense? right deal. Does that make sense? Smarter decision. Smarter decision. Smarter decision. It's something a narrative that I hear It's something a narrative that I hear It's something a narrative that I hear from from fathers and mothers much more from from fathers and mothers much more from from fathers and mothers much more than anybody else because now they than anybody else because now they than anybody else because now they really do have to think deeply about really do have to think deeply about really do have to think deeply about priorities priorities priorities whereas you know I'm yet to have whereas you know I'm yet to have whereas you know I'm yet to have children. I hope we have I will have children. I hope we have I will have children. I hope we have I will have children soon but um but uh right now my children soon but um but uh right now my children soon but um but uh right now my life is probably a little bit more life is probably a little bit more life is probably a little bit more selfish in that regard than yours is selfish in that regard than yours is selfish in that regard than yours is because the competition for my time is because the competition for my time is because the competition for my time is my business and then you know my my business and then you know my my business and then you know my partner, my fiance. partner, my fiance. partner, my fiance. >> But you love your business. >> But you love your business. >> But you love your business. >> I love it. there's nothing else you'd >> I love it. there's nothing else you'd >> I love it. there's nothing else you'd rather be doing. So, for whatever it's rather be doing. So, for whatever it's rather be doing. So, for whatever it's worth, I I think you're doing the right worth, I I think you're doing the right worth, I I think you're doing the right time, the right thing. The time for you time, the right thing. The time for you time, the right thing. The time for you to build is now to build is now to build is now >> because when you do have kids >> because when you do have kids >> because when you do have kids >> and you do realize how fast they grow >> and you do realize how fast they grow >> and you do realize how fast they grow and you look, you know, when your when and you look, you know, when your when and you look, you know, when your when your kids's born and then 6 months you your kids's born and then 6 months you your kids's born and then 6 months you look back and you're like, "Holy shit." look back and you're like, "Holy shit." look back and you're like, "Holy shit." Like, they he was this big and now he's Like, they he was this big and now he's Like, they he was this big and now he's this big and now he's this big. 5 years this big and now he's this big. 5 years this big and now he's this big. 5 years later and you're like I mean it makes me later and you're like I mean it makes me later and you're like I mean it makes me tear up right now. It's like where does tear up right now. It's like where does tear up right now. It's like where does where did it go? Where did the time go?

where did it go? Where did the time go? where did it go? Where did the time go? So build man build it as big as you can So build man build it as big as you can So build man build it as big as you can get it right now. Look for the smart get it right now. Look for the smart get it right now. Look for the smart deals and then I hope you know I hope deals and then I hope you know I hope deals and then I hope you know I hope you do get the opportunity to raise kids you do get the opportunity to raise kids you do get the opportunity to raise kids but business can destroy a family. You but business can destroy a family. You but business can destroy a family. You got to be careful of that. got to be careful of that. got to be careful of that. >> Why is that the warning that you give >> Why is that the warning that you give >> Why is that the warning that you give me? Is that from experience? me? Is that from experience? me? Is that from experience? Then what? You said you you're miser Then what? You said you you're miser Then what? You said you you're miser thinking about the speed of growth of thinking about the speed of growth of thinking about the speed of growth of your son. your son. your son. Why? Why? Why? >> You only get one shot at this. >> You only get one shot at this. >> You only get one shot at this. You're everything to them. And if you're You're everything to them. And if you're You're everything to them. And if you're not there, somebody else will be everything to somebody else will be everything to them. >> Where is this coming from, Sean? >> Where is this coming from, Sean? >> You can see it sometimes. >> You can see it sometimes. >> You can see it sometimes. It's a battle. I mean it's a battle you It's a battle. I mean it's a battle you It's a battle. I mean it's a battle you know for me [sighs and gasps] and so the time you know it's it's and so the time you know it's it's always you know you hear people complain always you know you hear people complain always you know you hear people complain about it and try to find it all the time about it and try to find it all the time about it and try to find it all the time what is the right balance how do you do what is the right balance how do you do what is the right balance how do you do the balance I don't know I don't know I do the best I can to figure it out But I do the best I can to figure it out But I do the best I can to figure it out But [sighs] [sighs] [sighs] it it you you you you can see how much time they want to spend can see how much time they want to spend with you and and all the phone calls and

with you and and all the phone calls and with you and and all the phone calls and all the business deals and you know the all the business deals and you know the all the business deals and you know the the [ __ ] that seems so important because the [ __ ] that seems so important because the [ __ ] that seems so important because it's going to put you at the next level, it's going to put you at the next level, it's going to put you at the next level, you know, and you're probably like me. you know, and you're probably like me. you know, and you're probably like me. your team's like, "Holy [ __ ] Steven's your team's like, "Holy [ __ ] Steven's your team's like, "Holy [ __ ] Steven's got to pivot and we got to get the [ __ ] got to pivot and we got to get the [ __ ] got to pivot and we got to get the [ __ ] done by in 12 hours, you know, and it's done by in 12 hours, you know, and it's done by in 12 hours, you know, and it's those kind of phone calls, you know, those kind of phone calls, you know, those kind of phone calls, you know, like, hey, we this guy went on this, like, hey, we this guy went on this, like, hey, we this guy went on this, we're going to we're going to shift this we're going to we're going to shift this we're going to we're going to shift this podcast to this day. Put this one in podcast to this day. Put this one in podcast to this day. Put this one in this thing hit, you know, it's a this thing hit, you know, it's a this thing hit, you know, it's a chessboard, you know what I mean?" And chessboard, you know what I mean?" And chessboard, you know what I mean?" And and you'll and and and that that's a and you'll and and and that that's a and you'll and and and that that's a 24-hour a day business to be the best. 24-hour a day business to be the best. 24-hour a day business to be the best. You're always switched on. Even when You're always switched on. Even when You're always switched on. Even when you're not trying to be switched on, you're not trying to be switched on, you're not trying to be switched on, you're switched on. Pistons are firing you're switched on. Pistons are firing you're switched on. Pistons are firing in your brain all the [ __ ] time. in your brain all the [ __ ] time. in your brain all the [ __ ] time. And you got your 2-year-old over here And you got your 2-year-old over here And you got your 2-year-old over here that just wants to that just wants to that just wants to play trains with you. And you can't get play trains with you. And you can't get play trains with you. And you can't get in the you can't get in the mode. You in the you can't get in the mode. You in the you can't get in the mode. You can you can you can sit there and can you can you can sit there and can you can you can sit there and push a toy train around, but they they push a toy train around, but they they push a toy train around, but they they know when you're there and when you're know when you're there and when you're know when you're there and when you're not there.

not there. not there. Have you got regrets in this regard Have you got regrets in this regard Have you got regrets in this regard or is it was it guilt? What is it? What or is it was it guilt? What is it? What or is it was it guilt? What is it? What is the emotion? is the emotion? is the emotion? >> Yeah, there's some guilt. >> Yeah, there's some guilt. >> Yeah, there's some guilt. >> With that being said, I'm I'm I am, you >> With that being said, I'm I'm I am, you >> With that being said, I'm I'm I am, you know, I'm very close with my kids, but I know, I'm very close with my kids, but I know, I'm very close with my kids, but I could be closer. could be closer. could be closer. >> And that really matters to you, doesn't >> And that really matters to you, doesn't >> And that really matters to you, doesn't it? it? it? >> It takes a lot for me to leave home to >> It takes a lot for me to leave home to >> It takes a lot for me to leave home to come do stuff like this. Dare I say that even, Dare I say that even, you know, I think about all the all the you know, I think about all the all the you know, I think about all the all the gifts my parents gave me by by gifts my parents gave me by by gifts my parents gave me by by demonstrating the values of work and and demonstrating the values of work and and demonstrating the values of work and and striving and um overcoming. And I think striving and um overcoming. And I think striving and um overcoming. And I think generally like the some of the gifts generally like the some of the gifts generally like the some of the gifts that I look back on as a young kid, but that I look back on as a young kid, but that I look back on as a young kid, but we didn't come from from money. The some we didn't come from from money. The some we didn't come from from money. The some of the things that I'm most thankful to of the things that I'm most thankful to of the things that I'm most thankful to my parents of is just is nothing they my parents of is just is nothing they my parents of is just is nothing they said. It's not that they pushed the said. It's not that they pushed the said. It's not that they pushed the trains around with me. It's like the trains around with me. It's like the trains around with me. It's like the fundamental lessons they gave me about fundamental lessons they gave me about fundamental lessons they gave me about life vicariously watching how they life vicariously watching how they life vicariously watching how they conducted themselves. And one of the conducted themselves. And one of the conducted themselves. And one of the things I think about with my mom is just things I think about with my mom is just things I think about with my mom is just like she like she like she never compl like she just like worked never compl like she just like worked never compl like she just like worked all the time for us, you know, for to all the time for us, you know, for to all the time for us, you know, for to make sure that we were good. and to the make sure that we were good. and to the make sure that we were good. and to the point that at one point she started point that at one point she started point that at one point she started sleeping on this bag of rice in the back sleeping on this bag of rice in the back sleeping on this bag of rice in the back of her little corner shop. And she of her little corner shop. And she of her little corner shop. And she she never complained. She and through she never complained. She and through she never complained. She and through that she taught me the lesson of like

that she taught me the lesson of like that she taught me the lesson of like hard work and striving. And there's no hard work and striving. And there's no hard work and striving. And there's no possibility that I'd be sat here now possibility that I'd be sat here now possibility that I'd be sat here now with a life that I love, doing something with a life that I love, doing something with a life that I love, doing something that I love, with a perspective that has that I love, with a perspective that has that I love, with a perspective that has been helpful for me in terms of dealing been helpful for me in terms of dealing been helpful for me in terms of dealing with hardship and all those things if I with hardship and all those things if I with hardship and all those things if I hadn't watched her through her absence hadn't watched her through her absence hadn't watched her through her absence teach me this lesson. So I sometimes, teach me this lesson. So I sometimes, teach me this lesson. So I sometimes, you know, all I say that to say that you know, all I say that to say that you know, all I say that to say that the nature of the absence I think also the nature of the absence I think also the nature of the absence I think also matters, you know, matters, you know, matters, you know, >> cuz that's going to be the story I think >> cuz that's going to be the story I think >> cuz that's going to be the story I think for a lot of that's was the story for for a lot of that's was the story for for a lot of that's was the story for me. It's like what where was my mom? My me. It's like what where was my mom? My me. It's like what where was my mom? My mom and my dad, they were out working mom and my dad, they were out working mom and my dad, they were out working for me. for me. for me. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But it's a trade. It's a trade. >> But it's a trade. It's a trade. >> But it's a trade. It's a trade. >> It's a trade. >> It's a trade. >> It's a trade. >> Yeah. It's a trade. Cuz am I as close to >> Yeah. It's a trade. Cuz am I as close to >> Yeah. It's a trade. Cuz am I as close to them as I might have been otherwise? No. them as I might have been otherwise? No. them as I might have been otherwise? No. >> But you're talking about necessity. >> But you're talking about necessity. >> But you're talking about necessity. >> Yeah. Yeah. And what we're talking about >> Yeah. Yeah. And what we're talking about >> Yeah. Yeah. And what we're talking about is abundance. is abundance. is abundance. >> Yeah. Yeah. True. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. True. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. True. Yeah. >> And there's a difference. >> And there's a difference. >> And there's a difference. >> Mhm. So, what's your conclusion there? >> Mhm. So, what's your conclusion there? >> Mhm. So, what's your conclusion there? Is there a conclusion? Is there an Is there a conclusion? Is there an Is there a conclusion? Is there an action to take? Is there action to take? Is there action to take? Is there >> I'm I'm still figuring it out, but the >> I'm I'm still figuring it out, but the >> I'm I'm still figuring it out, but the conclusion conclusion conclusion is look for the power plays.

is look for the power plays. is look for the power plays. >> Look for things that make sense. Hold >> Look for things that make sense. Hold >> Look for things that make sense. Hold off for the right deals. Only do what off for the right deals. Only do what off for the right deals. Only do what you really believe in. The quick money you really believe in. The quick money you really believe in. The quick money is all [ __ ] is all [ __ ] is all [ __ ] like my newest business, Glacier. like my newest business, Glacier. like my newest business, Glacier. I didn't know that was going to come, I didn't know that was going to come, I didn't know that was going to come, but I knew something big was going to but I knew something big was going to but I knew something big was going to come that made sense. And I've turned come that made sense. And I've turned come that made sense. And I've turned down so many opportunities because I down so many opportunities because I down so many opportunities because I just I didn't feel like it was me. And just I didn't feel like it was me. And just I didn't feel like it was me. And then this came along and it was just then this came along and it was just then this came along and it was just me solving my own problem. me solving my own problem. me solving my own problem. >> And it's a privacy and digital security >> And it's a privacy and digital security >> And it's a privacy and digital security mobile app. mobile app. mobile app. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> What does it do? >> What does it do? >> What does it do? >> We made the simplest >> We made the simplest >> We made the simplest phone privacy app that's out there. It's phone privacy app that's out there. It's phone privacy app that's out there. It's got a VPN. It's got secure DNS and it got a VPN. It's got secure DNS and it got a VPN. It's got secure DNS and it has burner numbers. [snorts] You walk has burner numbers. [snorts] You walk has burner numbers. [snorts] You walk around every day, you have all these around every day, you have all these around every day, you have all these apps. These apps are sucking information apps. These apps are sucking information apps. These apps are sucking information out of your phone. They're pushing it to out of your phone. They're pushing it to out of your phone. They're pushing it to data brokers that's being sold to who data brokers that's being sold to who data brokers that's being sold to who the hell knows who. I mean, I just had the hell knows who. I mean, I just had the hell knows who. I mean, I just had Byron Taon. He thinks that the Iranians Byron Taon. He thinks that the Iranians Byron Taon. He thinks that the Iranians attacked a base by buying data from a attacked a base by buying data from a attacked a base by buying data from a data broker and then attacked a US base data broker and then attacked a US base data broker and then attacked a US base because of it. basically tapping into because of it. basically tapping into because of it. basically tapping into soldiers phones just through everyday soldiers phones just through everyday soldiers phones just through everyday data broker marketing [ __ ] And so what data broker marketing [ __ ] And so what data broker marketing [ __ ] And so what the secure DNS is is it blocks all that the secure DNS is is it blocks all that the secure DNS is is it blocks all that from getting sucked out of your phone.

from getting sucked out of your phone. from getting sucked out of your phone. The VPN's great, but that's not the The VPN's great, but that's not the The VPN's great, but that's not the focus. The real win here is is the focus. The real win here is is the focus. The real win here is is the secure DNS and the burner numbers. I secure DNS and the burner numbers. I secure DNS and the burner numbers. I mean, now you can hand out burner mean, now you can hand out burner mean, now you can hand out burner numbers. Yeah, here you can get a hold numbers. Yeah, here you can get a hold numbers. Yeah, here you can get a hold of me on this burner number. When that of me on this burner number. When that of me on this burner number. When that burner and you feel like that burner burner and you feel like that burner burner and you feel like that burner number's been abused, you just hit the number's been abused, you just hit the number's been abused, you just hit the button, it goes away. they can never button, it goes away. they can never button, it goes away. they can never contact you again and you can you you contact you again and you can you you contact you again and you can you you buy another one. buy another one. buy another one. >> What a cool product and very well >> What a cool product and very well >> What a cool product and very well aligned. aligned. aligned. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. Look, for for me, >> Thank you. Look, for for me, >> Thank you. Look, for for me, I'm not going to do two podcasts a week I'm not going to do two podcasts a week I'm not going to do two podcasts a week forever. I love to do this. Two a week, forever. I love to do this. Two a week, forever. I love to do this. Two a week, it's too much for me and my family, it's too much for me and my family, it's too much for me and my family, especially traveling around and and especially traveling around and and especially traveling around and and doing foreign countries and this other doing foreign countries and this other doing foreign countries and this other stuff. Like it I I have to slim it down. stuff. Like it I I have to slim it down. stuff. Like it I I have to slim it down. So, I'm eventually I'm going to go to So, I'm eventually I'm going to go to So, I'm eventually I'm going to go to one a week and I've been given this one a week and I've been given this one a week and I've been given this platform and I want to start businesses that I truly I want to start businesses that I truly believe in that solves a real problem believe in that solves a real problem believe in that solves a real problem cuz I love business. I love you know I cuz I love business. I love you know I cuz I love business. I love you know I also think about the other side like also think about the other side like also think about the other side like well what if I was what if I was solely well what if I was what if I was solely well what if I was what if I was solely a dad and husband and I didn't get any a dad and husband and I didn't get any a dad and husband and I didn't get any of the phone calls and I wasn't able to of the phone calls and I wasn't able to of the phone calls and I wasn't able to I didn't have a creative outlet. I love I didn't have a creative outlet. I love I didn't have a creative outlet. I love the creativity of business and and the creativity of business and and the creativity of business and and creating your way on how to win, creating your way on how to win, creating your way on how to win, >> you know? I mean, I think a lot of >> you know? I mean, I think a lot of >> you know? I mean, I think a lot of people hit a roadblock and like, oh people hit a roadblock and like, oh people hit a roadblock and like, oh [ __ ] didn't work. There's always [ __ ] didn't work. There's always [ __ ] didn't work. There's always another way. There's always another way another way. There's always another way another way. There's always another way to win, to win, to win, >> you know? And that's that's one of the >> you know? And that's that's one of the >> you know? And that's that's one of the things that I took and one of the things that I took and one of the things that I took and one of the positive things that I took from my days positive things that I took from my days positive things that I took from my days at contracting for CIA and being a Navy

at contracting for CIA and being a Navy at contracting for CIA and being a Navy Seal is there is always a way to win, Seal is there is always a way to win, Seal is there is always a way to win, but you have to you have to be creative but you have to you have to be creative but you have to you have to be creative enough to find all the different avenues enough to find all the different avenues enough to find all the different avenues to the goal that you want to get and to the goal that you want to get and to the goal that you want to get and reverse engineer that reverse engineer that reverse engineer that >> and dare I say have a bit of >> and dare I say have a bit of >> and dare I say have a bit of persistence. persistence. persistence. >> Yeah, a lot of persistence. [laughter] >> Yeah, a lot of persistence. [laughter] >> Yeah, a lot of persistence. [laughter] It's an education, you know, and you get It's an education, you know, and you get It's an education, you know, and you get smarter along the way. So, in a long smarter along the way. So, in a long smarter along the way. So, in a long way, I think that's my conclusion. way, I think that's my conclusion. way, I think that's my conclusion. >> We have a closing tradition on this >> We have a closing tradition on this >> We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a podcast where the last guest leaves a podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing question for the next guest not knowing question for the next guest not knowing who they're leaving it for. who they're leaving it for. who they're leaving it for. >> And the question left for you is, what >> And the question left for you is, what >> And the question left for you is, what is love? What is love? The first thing that comes to mind is The first thing that comes to mind is love is what you're willing to die for. love is what you're willing to die for. love is what you're willing to die for. >> H And what are you willing to die for? >> H And what are you willing to die for? >> H And what are you willing to die for? my family. my family. my family. >> Sean, thank you. Thank you for being an >> Sean, thank you. Thank you for being an >> Sean, thank you. Thank you for being an inspiration for us podcasters. We've inspiration for us podcasters. We've inspiration for us podcasters. We've learned so much from what you do. I learned so much from what you do. I learned so much from what you do. I think the big lesson that I've taken think the big lesson that I've taken think the big lesson that I've taken from you is actually just around kind of from you is actually just around kind of from you is actually just around kind of what we talked about earlier on is what we talked about earlier on is what we talked about earlier on is you're such a high integrity person that you're such a high integrity person that you're such a high integrity person that lives with such great alignment to what lives with such great alignment to what lives with such great alignment to what you believe. You do things your way and you believe. You do things your way and you believe. You do things your way and that's why I think you know people like that's why I think you know people like that's why I think you know people like you I admire so much cuz in the world we you I admire so much cuz in the world we you I admire so much cuz in the world we live in so easy to copy and follow and live in so easy to copy and follow and live in so easy to copy and follow and you know all those kinds of things. But you know all those kinds of things. But you know all those kinds of things. But there are some people I look out there there are some people I look out there there are some people I look out there and I go, do you know what? That and I go, do you know what? That and I go, do you know what? That person's doing it their way. I know who person's doing it their way. I know who person's doing it their way. I know who they are because what they're producing they are because what they're producing they are because what they're producing is so n of one. It there's only one of is so n of one. It there's only one of is so n of one. It there's only one of them. And that and so that's those are them. And that and so that's those are them. And that and so that's those are the people that I have the most respect the people that I have the most respect the people that I have the most respect for as as sort of a podcasting peer. And

for as as sort of a podcasting peer. And for as as sort of a podcasting peer. And you're certainly one of them. And you you're certainly one of them. And you you're certainly one of them. And you know, as well with the subject matter we know, as well with the subject matter we know, as well with the subject matter we talked about you being in pursuit of talked about you being in pursuit of talked about you being in pursuit of your truth and your alignment even in your truth and your alignment even in your truth and your alignment even in spite of there being obvious costs like spite of there being obvious costs like spite of there being obvious costs like losing advertisers or what people might losing advertisers or what people might losing advertisers or what people might think if again it's a it's a think if again it's a it's a think if again it's a it's a demonstration of your integrity as a demonstration of your integrity as a demonstration of your integrity as a man. And and then lastly, your um real man. And and then lastly, your um real man. And and then lastly, your um real focus on family being at the heart of it focus on family being at the heart of it focus on family being at the heart of it and seeing the emotion in your face as and seeing the emotion in your face as and seeing the emotion in your face as you describe. This sort of battle that I you describe. This sort of battle that I you describe. This sort of battle that I know a lot of my audience have every know a lot of my audience have every know a lot of my audience have every single day in their own lives between single day in their own lives between single day in their own lives between ambition and goals and these types of ambition and goals and these types of ambition and goals and these types of things, but then the love of family and things, but then the love of family and things, but then the love of family and kids and all those things is another kids and all those things is another kids and all those things is another wonderful reminder for me at this point wonderful reminder for me at this point wonderful reminder for me at this point in my life where I feel like I'm about in my life where I feel like I'm about in my life where I feel like I'm about to tussle with the same situation. So, to tussle with the same situation. So, to tussle with the same situation. So, thank you for doing all that you do. I'm thank you for doing all that you do. I'm thank you for doing all that you do. I'm a I'm a great fan of yours both as a a I'm a great fan of yours both as a a I'm a great fan of yours both as a fellow creator and podcaster but also as fellow creator and podcaster but also as fellow creator and podcaster but also as a man and uh the service for the country a man and uh the service for the country a man and uh the service for the country as well as something that is of great as well as something that is of great as well as something that is of great admiration. So thank you Sean. admiration. So thank you Sean. admiration. So thank you Sean. >> Thank you. I was really excited to meet >> Thank you. I was really excited to meet >> Thank you. I was really excited to meet you and uh you and uh you and uh >> great job with what you're doing. >> great job with what you're doing. >> great job with what you're doing. >> Thank you so much. Thank you. YouTube >> Thank you so much. Thank you. YouTube >> Thank you so much. Thank you. YouTube have this new crazy algorithm where they have this new crazy algorithm where they have this new crazy algorithm where they know exactly what video you would like know exactly what video you would like know exactly what video you would like to watch next based on AI and all of to watch next based on AI and all of to watch next based on AI and all of your viewing behavior. And the algorithm your viewing behavior. And the algorithm your viewing behavior. And the algorithm says that this video is the perfect says that this video is the perfect says that this video is the perfect video for you. It's different for video for you. It's different for video for you. It's different for everybody looking right now. Check this everybody looking right now. Check this everybody looking right now. Check this video out and I bet you you might love video out and I bet you you might love video out and I bet you you might love it.