No body, no arrest: What happened to kidnapped Irish racehorse Shergar? | 60 Minutes

Legends, lore, the oral tradition. For Legends, lore, the oral tradition. For centuries, they've come stitched into centuries, they've come stitched into centuries, they've come stitched into the Irish national tapestry. the Irish national tapestry. the Irish national tapestry. Add this one to the anthology, the story Add this one to the anthology, the story Add this one to the anthology, the story of Shergar, a champion racehorse, of Shergar, a champion racehorse, of Shergar, a champion racehorse, Ireland's answer to Secretariat, who Ireland's answer to Secretariat, who Ireland's answer to Secretariat, who dominated tracks in the early '80s until dominated tracks in the early '80s until dominated tracks in the early '80s until he was kidnapped. The crime was thought he was kidnapped. The crime was thought he was kidnapped. The crime was thought to be an Irish Republican Army plot to be an Irish Republican Army plot to be an Irish Republican Army plot launched amid the Troubles, the violent launched amid the Troubles, the violent launched amid the Troubles, the violent conflict that convulsed Northern Ireland conflict that convulsed Northern Ireland conflict that convulsed Northern Ireland for 30 years. for 30 years. for 30 years. All this time later, the horse was never All this time later, the horse was never All this time later, the horse was never found, no one's been arrested, and one found, no one's been arrested, and one found, no one's been arrested, and one of sports great unsolved mysteries has of sports great unsolved mysteries has of sports great unsolved mysteries has never moved beyond cold case status. never moved beyond cold case status. never moved beyond cold case status. With central figures dying off and With central figures dying off and With central figures dying off and memories fading, we ventured to horse memories fading, we ventured to horse memories fading, we ventured to horse country, not far from Dublin, in County country, not far from Dublin, in County country, not far from Dublin, in County Kildare. >> A vast carpet of unfurling grass. This >> A vast carpet of unfurling grass. This is the Curragh, Gaelic for place of the is the Curragh, Gaelic for place of the is the Curragh, Gaelic for place of the running horse. A thousand years ago, kings and chiefs A thousand years ago, kings and chiefs raced chariots here. raced chariots here. raced chariots here. Now, it's the beating heart of Ireland's Now, it's the beating heart of Ireland's Now, it's the beating heart of Ireland's thoroughbred racing industry. The last thoroughbred racing industry. The last thoroughbred racing industry. The last place you'd peg for the setting of an place you'd peg for the setting of an place you'd peg for the setting of an ill-fated kidnapping.

ill-fated kidnapping. ill-fated kidnapping. >> Inside the final furlong, it is Fixation >> Inside the final furlong, it is Fixation >> Inside the final furlong, it is Fixation pulling away from Genoa and Touch the pulling away from Genoa and Touch the pulling away from Genoa and Touch the Moon. It's Fixation. Moon. It's Fixation. Moon. It's Fixation. >> Over the last weekend in June, the >> Over the last weekend in June, the >> Over the last weekend in June, the Curragh is home to the Irish Derby, or Curragh is home to the Irish Derby, or Curragh is home to the Irish Derby, or Derby as they say here. The best in Derby as they say here. The best in Derby as they say here. The best in breed come from all over. breed come from all over. breed come from all over. But in 1981, it was won by a local, But in 1981, it was won by a local, But in 1981, it was won by a local, Shergar, born in a nearby stable. Shergar, born in a nearby stable. Shergar, born in a nearby stable. >> And there he is, Shergar. >> And there he is, Shergar. >> And there he is, Shergar. >> And who knew it at the time, but his >> And who knew it at the time, but his >> And who knew it at the time, but his saga was barely getting out of the gate. saga was barely getting out of the gate. saga was barely getting out of the gate. >> And they're off. And here he comes. It's >> And they're off. And here he comes. It's >> And they're off. And here he comes. It's Shergar coming on now. Shergar marking Shergar coming on now. Shergar marking Shergar coming on now. Shergar marking himself once again. A really great himself once again. A really great himself once again. A really great horse. horse. horse. >> Was it easier than you thought it would >> Was it easier than you thought it would >> Was it easier than you thought it would be? be? be? >> That's commentator Derek Thompson asking >> That's commentator Derek Thompson asking >> That's commentator Derek Thompson asking the question and trying to keep up with the question and trying to keep up with the question and trying to keep up with Shergar on his way to another winner's Shergar on his way to another winner's Shergar on his way to another winner's circle. circle. circle. >> What was Shergar like up close? >> What was Shergar like up close? >> What was Shergar like up close? >> He was just a beautiful mover. He had a >> He was just a beautiful mover. He had a >> He was just a beautiful mover. He had a a white face which I think endears him a white face which I think endears him a white face which I think endears him to the crowd. You know, you could see to the crowd. You know, you could see to the crowd. You know, you could see him. Hey, that's Shergar. As a him. Hey, that's Shergar. As a him. Hey, that's Shergar. As a commentator you look for things like commentator you look for things like commentator you look for things like that.

that. that. >> It was Shergar's overwhelming speed and >> It was Shergar's overwhelming speed and >> It was Shergar's overwhelming speed and stride that distinguished him at the stride that distinguished him at the stride that distinguished him at the 1981 Epsom Derby, England's equivalent 1981 Epsom Derby, England's equivalent 1981 Epsom Derby, England's equivalent of the Kentucky Derby. of the Kentucky Derby. of the Kentucky Derby. >> The way he won the Derby uh that day at >> The way he won the Derby uh that day at >> The way he won the Derby uh that day at Epsom. Epsom. Epsom. >> He's on his own! >> He's on his own! >> He's on his own! >> And he won by 10 lengths. >> And he won by 10 lengths. >> And he won by 10 lengths. The guy who rode the second horse, he The guy who rode the second horse, he The guy who rode the second horse, he was long-sighted. So, and he couldn't was long-sighted. So, and he couldn't was long-sighted. So, and he couldn't wear his glasses obviously when he was wear his glasses obviously when he was wear his glasses obviously when he was riding. So, when he passed the post he riding. So, when he passed the post he riding. So, when he passed the post he thought he'd won. thought he'd won. thought he'd won. >> Give us a sense of where Shergar ranks >> Give us a sense of where Shergar ranks >> Give us a sense of where Shergar ranks historically among thoroughbred historically among thoroughbred historically among thoroughbred racehorses. racehorses. racehorses. >> Probably the best of all time. >> Probably the best of all time. >> Probably the best of all time. >> You say that as someone who's seen a lot >> You say that as someone who's seen a lot >> You say that as someone who's seen a lot of racing. of racing. of racing. >> I have. And I can tell you and that's >> I have. And I can tell you and that's >> I have. And I can tell you and that's true. true. true. >> What does the future typically hold for >> What does the future typically hold for >> What does the future typically hold for a horse like Shergar once he's done a horse like Shergar once he's done a horse like Shergar once he's done racing? racing? racing? >> Becomes a stallion. >> Becomes a stallion. >> Becomes a stallion. All right? And when you become a All right? And when you become a All right? And when you become a stallion, you become a very lucky lad. stallion, you become a very lucky lad. stallion, you become a very lucky lad. >> That is after getting a hero's welcome >> That is after getting a hero's welcome >> That is after getting a hero's welcome back in County Kildare, Shergar was put back in County Kildare, Shergar was put back in County Kildare, Shergar was put out to stud. out to stud. out to stud. >> His Highness the Aga Khan and >> His Highness the Aga Khan and >> His Highness the Aga Khan and >> The other lucky lad, Shergar's owner, >> The other lucky lad, Shergar's owner, >> The other lucky lad, Shergar's owner, the late Aga Khan, spiritual leader of the late Aga Khan, spiritual leader of the late Aga Khan, spiritual leader of the Ismaili Muslims, one of the richest the Ismaili Muslims, one of the richest the Ismaili Muslims, one of the richest royals in the world. He retired Shergar royals in the world. He retired Shergar royals in the world. He retired Shergar to Ballymacoll Stud Farm hoping to to Ballymacoll Stud Farm hoping to to Ballymacoll Stud Farm hoping to create a dynasty of sorts, syndicating create a dynasty of sorts, syndicating create a dynasty of sorts, syndicating the horse, selling 40 shares for 250,000 the horse, selling 40 shares for 250,000 the horse, selling 40 shares for 250,000 pounds each. Totally more than 50 pounds each. Totally more than 50 pounds each. Totally more than 50 million dollars in today's currency.

million dollars in today's currency. million dollars in today's currency. But fortunes changed on the night of But fortunes changed on the night of But fortunes changed on the night of February 8th, 1983 February 8th, 1983 February 8th, 1983 when masked men with guns broke into when masked men with guns broke into when masked men with guns broke into Ballymacoll and kidnapped Shergar. Ballymacoll and kidnapped Shergar. Ballymacoll and kidnapped Shergar. Belfast-based filmmaker Alison Miller is Belfast-based filmmaker Alison Miller is Belfast-based filmmaker Alison Miller is one of the few people to interview one of the few people to interview one of the few people to interview Shergar's head groom, Jim Fitzgerald, Shergar's head groom, Jim Fitzgerald, Shergar's head groom, Jim Fitzgerald, who was there that night. who was there that night. who was there that night. >> What was your impression of him? >> What was your impression of him? >> What was your impression of him? >> Oh, Jim. Uh my impression was that he >> Oh, Jim. Uh my impression was that he >> Oh, Jim. Uh my impression was that he was absolutely haunted, traumatized by was absolutely haunted, traumatized by was absolutely haunted, traumatized by the whole experience. the whole experience. the whole experience. >> Never got over the trauma. >> Never got over the trauma. >> Never got over the trauma. >> No. >> No. >> No. Never. Never. Never. >> Before he died, Fitzgerald opened up to >> Before he died, Fitzgerald opened up to >> Before he died, Fitzgerald opened up to Miller, recalling what happened. She Miller, recalling what happened. She Miller, recalling what happened. She showed us the interview from her showed us the interview from her showed us the interview from her documentary Searching for Shergar. documentary Searching for Shergar. documentary Searching for Shergar. >> Tell me what happened. Can you remember >> Tell me what happened. Can you remember >> Tell me what happened. Can you remember it, Jim? it, Jim? it, Jim? >> I'll tell you now. >> I'll tell you now. >> I'll tell you now. It was in early February. It was in early February. It was in early February. And we were in the sitting room. And the And we were in the sitting room. And the And we were in the sitting room. And the next thing, a knock come at the door. next thing, a knock come at the door. next thing, a knock come at the door. And these gangsters [music] come in And these gangsters [music] come in And these gangsters [music] come in with guns. with guns. with guns. >> And they shouted to everyone to get >> And they shouted to everyone to get >> And they shouted to everyone to get down, get down. And they put his wife down, get down. And they put his wife down, get down. And they put his wife and children all down the floor. And and children all down the floor. And and children all down the floor. And they ordered him by gunpoint to come out they ordered him by gunpoint to come out they ordered him by gunpoint to come out and take them down to the stable where and take them down to the stable where and take them down to the stable where Shergar was.

Shergar was. Shergar was. >> Fitzgerald was bundled into a car, >> Fitzgerald was bundled into a car, >> Fitzgerald was bundled into a car, driven about 30 miles from the farm, driven about 30 miles from the farm, driven about 30 miles from the farm, then released, while the kidnappers made then released, while the kidnappers made then released, while the kidnappers made off with Shergar. off with Shergar. off with Shergar. >> He had the gun pointed at his head and >> He had the gun pointed at his head and >> He had the gun pointed at his head and told to get out of the car. And shut up. told to get out of the car. And shut up. told to get out of the car. And shut up. Don't talk about this. Don't talk about this. Don't talk about this. >> This forced silence was familiar in >> This forced silence was familiar in >> This forced silence was familiar in Northern Ireland, a hallmark of the IRA, Northern Ireland, a hallmark of the IRA, Northern Ireland, a hallmark of the IRA, but fairly unusual just 2 hours south in but fairly unusual just 2 hours south in but fairly unusual just 2 hours south in pastoral Kildare. pastoral Kildare. pastoral Kildare. >> All this occurred during that the >> All this occurred during that the >> All this occurred during that the context is the Troubles. Describe context is the Troubles. Describe context is the Troubles. Describe Northern Ireland at the time. Northern Ireland at the time. Northern Ireland at the time. >> So, at the time whenever Shergar was >> So, at the time whenever Shergar was >> So, at the time whenever Shergar was taken, we'd just come through a period taken, we'd just come through a period taken, we'd just come through a period in Northern Ireland where there'd been in Northern Ireland where there'd been in Northern Ireland where there'd been many years of bombings and shootings and many years of bombings and shootings and many years of bombings and shootings and killings. >> The sectarian violence rocked Northern >> The sectarian violence rocked Northern Ireland for almost 30 years, pitting Ireland for almost 30 years, pitting Ireland for almost 30 years, pitting Catholics against Protestants, mostly Catholics against Protestants, mostly Catholics against Protestants, mostly over questions of British rule. over questions of British rule. over questions of British rule. The IRA, the Catholic paramilitary The IRA, the Catholic paramilitary The IRA, the Catholic paramilitary group, raised funds for their campaign group, raised funds for their campaign group, raised funds for their campaign through bank and post office robberies, through bank and post office robberies, through bank and post office robberies, which provokes the question, which provokes the question, which provokes the question, what would the IRA want with a horse?

what would the IRA want with a horse? what would the IRA want with a horse? >> Well, Shergar wasn't any horse. He was >> Well, Shergar wasn't any horse. He was >> Well, Shergar wasn't any horse. He was the most expensive horse in the world. the most expensive horse in the world. the most expensive horse in the world. The bank robberies weren't paying off. The bank robberies weren't paying off. The bank robberies weren't paying off. Someone had come up with the idea of Someone had come up with the idea of Someone had come up with the idea of kidnapping Shergar and holding him to kidnapping Shergar and holding him to kidnapping Shergar and holding him to ransom. ransom. ransom. >> This is transactional. This isn't >> This is transactional. This isn't >> This is transactional. This isn't symbolic. This is just pragmatically symbolic. This is just pragmatically symbolic. This is just pragmatically what's going to get us a lot of money. what's going to get us a lot of money. what's going to get us a lot of money. >> They wanted cash for guns. >> They wanted cash for guns. >> They wanted cash for guns. >> When police arrived at Ballymanus the >> When police arrived at Ballymanus the >> When police arrived at Ballymanus the next morning, there were hardly any next morning, there were hardly any next morning, there were hardly any clues. The following day brought an clues. The following day brought an clues. The following day brought an unusual call to Derek Thompson, who was unusual call to Derek Thompson, who was unusual call to Derek Thompson, who was working in London. working in London. working in London. >> The huh >> The huh >> The huh phone went off at 2:00 in the morning. phone went off at 2:00 in the morning. phone went off at 2:00 in the morning. This is the Press Association in Fleet This is the Press Association in Fleet This is the Press Association in Fleet Street, which is the main Street, which is the main Street, which is the main hub of newspapers. hub of newspapers. hub of newspapers. The kidnappers of Shergar want to talk The kidnappers of Shergar want to talk The kidnappers of Shergar want to talk to you. I said, "What?" to you. I said, "What?" to you. I said, "What?" You would they want you to fly out to to You would they want you to fly out to to You would they want you to fly out to to Belfast in the morning. Belfast in the morning. Belfast in the morning. >> Unlikely hostage negotiators, Thompson >> Unlikely hostage negotiators, Thompson >> Unlikely hostage negotiators, Thompson and two other horse racing journalists and two other horse racing journalists and two other horse racing journalists were summoned to Belfast by the were summoned to Belfast by the were summoned to Belfast by the kidnappers. kidnappers. kidnappers. >> We just jumped out of the taxi and >> We just jumped out of the taxi and >> We just jumped out of the taxi and looked, and this looked, and this looked, and this was the Europa Hotel, the most bombed was the Europa Hotel, the most bombed was the Europa Hotel, the most bombed hotel in Europe. And as soon as I walked hotel in Europe. And as soon as I walked hotel in Europe. And as soon as I walked in, in, in, a voice came over the hotel intercom, a voice came over the hotel intercom, a voice came over the hotel intercom, "A phone call for Mr. Thompson."

"A phone call for Mr. Thompson." "A phone call for Mr. Thompson." >> How far is that from the Belfast? >> How far is that from the Belfast? >> How far is that from the Belfast? >> A voice on the other end directed >> A voice on the other end directed >> A voice on the other end directed Thompson to a farmhouse 30 miles outside Thompson to a farmhouse 30 miles outside Thompson to a farmhouse 30 miles outside Belfast. Belfast. Belfast. >> And it was just amazing for the next 12 >> And it was just amazing for the next 12 >> And it was just amazing for the next 12 hours. We had phone call after phone hours. We had phone call after phone hours. We had phone call after phone call. call. call. >> Did they mention a ransom? >> Did they mention a ransom? >> Did they mention a ransom? >> They said things alike, "We've got the >> They said things alike, "We've got the >> They said things alike, "We've got the horse. horse. horse. We want you to negotiate a price for the We want you to negotiate a price for the We want you to negotiate a price for the horse. This is what we want. We want the horse. This is what we want. We want the horse. This is what we want. We want the money." money." money." >> The Aga Khan's office received calls, >> The Aga Khan's office received calls, >> The Aga Khan's office received calls, too. Ransom demands kept changing. too. Ransom demands kept changing. too. Ransom demands kept changing. 40,000 pounds one day, 2 million the 40,000 pounds one day, 2 million the 40,000 pounds one day, 2 million the next. next. next. And 3 days after the kidnapping, a vague And 3 days after the kidnapping, a vague And 3 days after the kidnapping, a vague final call to Derek Thompson's camp. final call to Derek Thompson's camp. final call to Derek Thompson's camp. >> The horse has had an accident. >> The horse has had an accident. >> The horse has had an accident. He's dead. He's dead. He's dead. And the phone And the phone And the phone went dead. went dead. went dead. >> That was the last contact you had with >> That was the last contact you had with >> That was the last contact you had with the kidnappers. the kidnappers. the kidnappers. >> That's the last we heard. >> That's the last we heard. >> That's the last we heard. >> With a champion stallion missing, the >> With a champion stallion missing, the >> With a champion stallion missing, the investigation continued. Police gave investigation continued. Police gave investigation continued. Police gave daily updates to say not much. daily updates to say not much. daily updates to say not much. >> Are you any further ahead than you were >> Are you any further ahead than you were >> Are you any further ahead than you were yesterday? yesterday? yesterday? >> I regret to say that I'm not.

>> The country became ever more captivated >> The country became ever more captivated by the deepening mystery. Inevitably, an by the deepening mystery. Inevitably, an by the deepening mystery. Inevitably, an Irish folk song followed. Irish folk song followed. Irish folk song followed. >> [music and singing] >> You baffled all the boys in blue. So, um >> You baffled all the boys in blue. So, um it did become a circus. it did become a circus. it did become a circus. >> The circus included crime-solving >> The circus included crime-solving >> The circus included crime-solving clairvoyants. clairvoyants. clairvoyants. >> People kept turning up going, "We're >> People kept turning up going, "We're >> People kept turning up going, "We're going to find the horse." Like, "Hey, going to find the horse." Like, "Hey, going to find the horse." Like, "Hey, I'm Doris and Jimmy, and I'm going to I'm Doris and Jimmy, and I'm going to I'm Doris and Jimmy, and I'm going to find the horse." And there was people find the horse." And there was people find the horse." And there was people ringing up. The helplines were getting ringing up. The helplines were getting ringing up. The helplines were getting bonkers, people saying, "Hey, we found bonkers, people saying, "Hey, we found bonkers, people saying, "Hey, we found the horse." And it wasn't. It was like a the horse." And it wasn't. It was like a the horse." And it wasn't. It was like a dead sheep. dead sheep. dead sheep. >> What happened to Shergar? As the story >> What happened to Shergar? As the story >> What happened to Shergar? As the story became an international sensation, became an international sensation, became an international sensation, theories toggled between the theories toggled between the theories toggled between the preposterous and the merely unlikely. preposterous and the merely unlikely. preposterous and the merely unlikely. Stolen to pay off US mafia debt. Shipped Stolen to pay off US mafia debt. Shipped Stolen to pay off US mafia debt. Shipped to Libya for Muammar Gaddafi. to Libya for Muammar Gaddafi. to Libya for Muammar Gaddafi. All unimaginable ends to an elite All unimaginable ends to an elite All unimaginable ends to an elite stallion from County Kildare. stallion from County Kildare. stallion from County Kildare. Where horses have the right of way. Where horses have the right of way. Where horses have the right of way. 80 mi of gallop surrounded by all that 80 mi of gallop surrounded by all that 80 mi of gallop surrounded by all that unplowed grass. unplowed grass. unplowed grass. Rich in limestone, good for horse bones.

Rich in limestone, good for horse bones. Rich in limestone, good for horse bones. And fertilized by roaming sheep. And fertilized by roaming sheep. And fertilized by roaming sheep. In other words, equine heaven. In other words, equine heaven. In other words, equine heaven. We met the de facto dean of the Curragh, We met the de facto dean of the Curragh, We met the de facto dean of the Curragh, Richard Brabazon, whose family has Richard Brabazon, whose family has Richard Brabazon, whose family has trained horses here for generations. trained horses here for generations. trained horses here for generations. >> Yeah, that's meant to be the way of >> Yeah, that's meant to be the way of >> Yeah, that's meant to be the way of saying hello. You just breathe into saying hello. You just breathe into saying hello. You just breathe into their nose. their nose. their nose. You know, but he's a particularly You know, but he's a particularly You know, but he's a particularly friendly horse. friendly horse. friendly horse. >> We asked him about Shergar. >> We asked him about Shergar. >> We asked him about Shergar. >> I mean, no one knows what happened. >> I mean, no one knows what happened. >> I mean, no one knows what happened. I think it's fair to say there was an I think it's fair to say there was an I think it's fair to say there was an accident. Do you know? And he was accident. Do you know? And he was accident. Do you know? And he was killed. The only thing that puzzles me killed. The only thing that puzzles me killed. The only thing that puzzles me is is is it's It's very big operation to take a it's It's very big operation to take a it's It's very big operation to take a horse. horse. horse. If you ask me to do it myself, I'd find If you ask me to do it myself, I'd find If you ask me to do it myself, I'd find it hard to cover it up. it hard to cover it up. it hard to cover it up. You know, I'd say, "How do you deal with You know, I'd say, "How do you deal with You know, I'd say, "How do you deal with a big animal like this?" a big animal like this?" a big animal like this?" You know, not easy. You know, not easy. You know, not easy. Um Um Um I buried a donkey once, and it took me I buried a donkey once, and it took me I buried a donkey once, and it took me half the day. Yeah. half the day. Yeah. half the day. Yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> So. >> So. >> So. >> Donkey notwithstanding, most people here >> Donkey notwithstanding, most people here >> Donkey notwithstanding, most people here believe the kidnappers couldn't handle a believe the kidnappers couldn't handle a believe the kidnappers couldn't handle a stallion like Shergar and shot him stallion like Shergar and shot him stallion like Shergar and shot him within a couple of days.

within a couple of days. within a couple of days. That theory was circulated in a 1998 That theory was circulated in a 1998 That theory was circulated in a 1998 memoir of a former IRA member turned memoir of a former IRA member turned memoir of a former IRA member turned informant, Sean O'Callaghan, now dead. informant, Sean O'Callaghan, now dead. informant, Sean O'Callaghan, now dead. He wrote that the kidnappers drove He wrote that the kidnappers drove He wrote that the kidnappers drove Shergar to County Leitrim, near the Shergar to County Leitrim, near the Shergar to County Leitrim, near the border with Northern Ireland. border with Northern Ireland. border with Northern Ireland. That's where we met journalist Tommy That's where we met journalist Tommy That's where we met journalist Tommy Conlon. Conlon. Conlon. >> 1984. >> 1984. >> 1984. >> Conlon wrote a book about another 1983 >> Conlon wrote a book about another 1983 >> Conlon wrote a book about another 1983 kidnapping, this one human, a kidnapping, this one human, a kidnapping, this one human, a supermarket executive rescued in the supermarket executive rescued in the supermarket executive rescued in the woods here after 23 days in IRA woods here after 23 days in IRA woods here after 23 days in IRA captivity. captivity. captivity. And Conlon says Shergar's captors would And Conlon says Shergar's captors would And Conlon says Shergar's captors would have found a soft landing in Leitrim. have found a soft landing in Leitrim. have found a soft landing in Leitrim. >> If the local leader here got a phone >> If the local leader here got a phone >> If the local leader here got a phone call saying, "We need to dispose of this call saying, "We need to dispose of this call saying, "We need to dispose of this horse." There would have been people horse." There would have been people horse." There would have been people here to do it, and what's more, it's so here to do it, and what's more, it's so here to do it, and what's more, it's so sparsely populated, so remote, sparsely populated, so remote, sparsely populated, so remote, that it could be it would be an ideal that it could be it would be an ideal that it could be it would be an ideal place, you would think, to bury a body place, you would think, to bury a body place, you would think, to bury a body that you never wanted found. that you never wanted found. that you never wanted found. >> Conlon led us to boggy terrain where >> Conlon led us to boggy terrain where >> Conlon led us to boggy terrain where lore has it the kidnappers disposed of lore has it the kidnappers disposed of lore has it the kidnappers disposed of Shergar's remains. Shergar's remains. Shergar's remains. >> Aughnacsheelan. >> Aughnacsheelan. >> Aughnacsheelan. >> Aughnacsheelan.

>> Aughnacsheelan. >> Aughnacsheelan. >> Aughnacsheelan. >> Aughnacsheelan. >> Aughnacsheelan. >> And the winter is nice. In February of >> And the winter is nice. In February of >> And the winter is nice. In February of 1983, 1983, 1983, the place would have been would have the place would have been would have the place would have been would have felt almost deserted. felt almost deserted. felt almost deserted. And more than likely, those whom you did And more than likely, those whom you did And more than likely, those whom you did meet on the road would say nothing. meet on the road would say nothing. meet on the road would say nothing. >> Say say nothing. >> Say say nothing. >> Say say nothing. >> Say nothing and keep saying it. >> Say nothing and keep saying it. >> Say nothing and keep saying it. >> We did hear whispers, though, from >> We did hear whispers, though, from >> We did hear whispers, though, from others who've looked into the story others who've looked into the story others who've looked into the story about one man in particular, a convicted about one man in particular, a convicted about one man in particular, a convicted IRA operative once broken out of prison IRA operative once broken out of prison IRA operative once broken out of prison by a helicopter. by a helicopter. by a helicopter. Kevin Mallon is named in informant Sean Kevin Mallon is named in informant Sean Kevin Mallon is named in informant Sean O'Callaghan's book as the ringleader of O'Callaghan's book as the ringleader of O'Callaghan's book as the ringleader of Shergar's kidnapping. >> Kevin Mallon, please. >> Kevin Mallon, please. >> First, we tried calling. >> First, we tried calling. >> First, we tried calling. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Kevin, it's John Wertheim with 60 >> Kevin, it's John Wertheim with 60 >> Kevin, it's John Wertheim with 60 Minutes, CBS News in New York. We're Minutes, CBS News in New York. We're Minutes, CBS News in New York. We're working on a piece on Shergar. Shergar the horse, and we Shergar the horse, and we >> Then, we got an address, a seaside house >> Then, we got an address, a seaside house >> Then, we got an address, a seaside house near Dublin.

>> Hi, I'm looking for Kevin Mallon. >> Hi, I'm looking for Kevin Mallon. >> Another phone call. >> Another phone call. >> Another phone call. >> It's John Wertheim with 60 Minutes. I'm >> It's John Wertheim with 60 Minutes. I'm >> It's John Wertheim with 60 Minutes. I'm in town and would love to just come up in town and would love to just come up in town and would love to just come up and ask him a few questions about the and ask him a few questions about the and ask him a few questions about the horse. horse. horse. >> All right, sure. He wouldn't know >> All right, sure. He wouldn't know >> All right, sure. He wouldn't know anything about that, no. Forget this. anything about that, no. Forget this. anything about that, no. Forget this. >> Well, we're we're told he's one of the >> Well, we're we're told he's one of the >> Well, we're we're told he's one of the last people alive that might help solve last people alive that might help solve last people alive that might help solve the mystery. mystery. >> Some cold cases do eventually thaw, the >> Some cold cases do eventually thaw, the >> Some cold cases do eventually thaw, the result of a crisis of conscience or a result of a crisis of conscience or a result of a crisis of conscience or a dying declaration. dying declaration. dying declaration. But in the case of Shergar, sure seems But in the case of Shergar, sure seems But in the case of Shergar, sure seems like a long shot. like a long shot. like a long shot. >> I think there's a massive shame that the >> I think there's a massive shame that the >> I think there's a massive shame that the IRA IRA IRA took this on. What was the point of it? took this on. What was the point of it? took this on. What was the point of it? It was pointless. The horse is such a symbol of Ireland The horse is such a symbol of Ireland and and and you know, freedom, and it's its beauty you know, freedom, and it's its beauty you know, freedom, and it's its beauty is wildness, its magic. is wildness, its magic. is wildness, its magic. And there's a shame that they shot the And there's a shame that they shot the And there's a shame that they shot the most famous and killed the most famous most famous and killed the most famous most famous and killed the most famous horse in the world at that time.